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Thats an important point of Tom's to highlight. There are in-car instructors available. I went out for 3 sessions in the novice group as an instructor last year for a new HPDE seven participant. Jeff, Tom and myself are all Drivers Club accredited instructors along with the roster of NJMP's regular instruction professionals. If you have never done this before, this is your best opportunity to try your seven out in a very gentle introduction under expert oversight.

Getting in early this week since I am traveling tomorrow: NEW Caterham https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2002-caterham-super-7/ and here https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/caterham/super-7/2058355.html REPEATS Lotus 7 S4 (Its a Gullwing dealer car so it may or may not be a project) https://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-Lotus-Seven-S4/272993367211?hash=item3f8fac34ab:g:rsIAAOSwL81aPVwg&vxp=mtr and https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/s4/2049263.html Caterham https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/d/lotus-super-7-caterham-super-7/6454212344.html Replica project https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/d/street-legal-hot-rod-track-car/6440585662.html Westfield https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/ctd/d/1965-lotus-seven-westfield/6453243418.html and here https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/westfield/2043172.html Replica https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/2009-custom-lotus-7-replica/6431655998.html Champion Stage 2 roller https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/lotus-super-seven-replica/6436633520.html Westfield V8 https://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/cto/d/1968-lotus-super-seven-8/6442269120.html MK Indy https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/2008-super-seven/6432504868.html Lotus 7 S2 https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/super-seven/1871753.html Lotus 7 S2 project https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/7/1972000.html Lotus 7 S2 https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/super-seven/2052722.html Westfield https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/2014940.html Westfield https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/westfield/1982882.html Caterham https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/caterham/super-7/1994795.html Caterham https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/caterham/super-7/2033142.html Caterham https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/caterham/1956513.html and here http://britauto.com/portfolio-view/201216-nos-caterham-sv-roadsport/

Congratulations Whizzy! Its been a long sale process for you but glad the Westy moved on to a new family!

I must be having senior moments - yes thats where I met Taber and Joan. Sorry Taber - thank you for the gentle prompt. And yes I did meet Glen for the first time there too plus my future prospective neighbors Maureen and Steve. It was a wonderful event for meeting so many Sevenistas for the first time even if we were banished to Siberia for the car display morning. I gained a lot of new friends in the sevening world. And it kicked off our own form of get together event so much good came from it. And the updates continue... 1. Tom G 2. Norm 3. Len C 4. George H 5. Tom C 6. Paul 7. Mike M 8. Blake 9. John B 10. Dan F 11. Graham 12. Seb 13. Jeff H 14. Mike 15. Fred M 16. Steve M 17. Jim A

With just 4 days since the post went up, the responses have been flying in with those keen to participate, even though the event is being held in July! And here I was concerned about this event not being held on a weekend this year! 1. Tom G 2. Norm 3. Len C 4. George H 5. Tom C 6. Paul 7. Mike M 8. Blake 9. John B 10. Dan F 11. Graham 12. Seb 13. Jeff H 14. Mike And I have some tentatives who are still getting the Boss' permission - Steve, Shane.

Bruce - That is the most astounding reason for the "twitchy" steering on the Alfa. Bump steer is not what I was expecting it would be....and I know all about bump steer on my old cars. I just assumed (stupidly) that auto makers these days would have a full command of suspension set up and seek to engineer and then test their cars to get them right. While you have gone about it the right way to incorporate the correct engineering set up you would expect Alfa to have done the job for you. Thank you for the explanation. cheers mike

Welcome aboard! You leave a provocative photo on your first post! What project do you have in mind? Tell us more.

Interesting choice to replace your seven indeed. I loved the 4C but felt it was too slightly too twitchy in the steering and the power was a bit of a yawn in standard guise. Handling was just lovely and they look sensational in person. You proved the chassis can cope with more power, enough to make it more entertaining.

Yes thats right. Gettysburg LOG in 2010 was the inspiration for it all when Tom, Mike, Jon (where is he these days?), myself and probably others I have forgotten, all hatched the plan for a gathering with our first event year in 2011. So this will be the 8th event. We had 2 good years running with SCDA then we tried that other HPDE outfit which was a bunch of nutters before eventually landing our own session slot at NJMP Drivers Club.

If you are interested in participating then please send a email to us at sevensarefun@gmail.com to get on our contact list. Shane - for some reason I only have your old email - can you please send one at the email address above and I will make sure you are on the list. Thanks

Happy New Year! You are receiving this email as you have previously participated in, own a seven, or expressed interest in joining the East Coast Sevens HPDE and Social Event held at New Jersey Motorsports Park in Millville, NJ. If you think you received this email in error please respond and I will immediately remove you from the mailing list. A summary follows below and a more detailed organization outline will follow in May 2018 closer to the date. The challenge with establishing a 2018 date for this weekend is that our numbers of 20-25 cars do not allow us to host the event with a track rental in our own right without costs being prohibitive to you. This is why we are very fortunate to be able to have NJMP Drivers Club host our event and provide us with an exclusive Sevens session as it keeps costs far below what commercial track day operators charge of $250 to $350 per day. This greatly restricts our options for dates as we have to fit in with their calendar. Complicating matters is that our traditional July 4th holiday falls on a Wednesday in 2018. With this in mind we have set the dates as: Wednesday July 4th (Public Holiday) - Arrive in the afternoon/evening and set up. We anticipate having a casual outside BBQ pool party at the NJMP clubhouse. If enough people are interested, before dinner we could arrange a Thunderbolt track walk to talk people through the lines, corner by corner. Thursday July 5th - HPDE with Drivers Club on the Thunderbolt Circuit. Breakfast, lunch and all refreshments included for paid up drivers and visitors. Friday July 6th - HPDE with Drivers Club on the Lightning Circuit. Breakfast, lunch and refreshments included. While not set we could hold our traditional karting competition on either the Wednesday July 4th or Saturday July 7th subject to people's preferences. Dinner plans have not been set but with these dates we are fairly confident of us being at Andrea's, an very popular and reasonably priced BYO Italian trattoria in downtown Millville. Keen readers will notice that we have managed to get a day on Thunderbolt circuit this year. While the Lightning track is a very quick fun momentum circuit, the Thunderbolt track is very different, far more technical and challenging with the first half having a number of straights and some high speed corners before it tightens up in the second half and the more nimble cars gain the advantage. Despite the HP disparity the past HPDE events flowed really well - so much so it really did not feel like there were many people out on track at all. All marques of sevens are welcomed to attend - Lotus 7, Caterham, Birkin, Locost, Brunton Stalker, S1, Westfield, WCM Ultralite, etc. We will again set up a private registration page on Motorsportreg.com for signing up but don't expect this until say around May this year. NJMP Drivers Club does insist on vetting driver capabilities as this is an event they organize and are responsible for. They have a strong belief in safety which is to be commended. Drivers who have previously driven with this event will be evaluated based on their past performance. Drivers who are new to the event will be required to discuss their driving experience by submitting a driving resume for evaluation to NJMP Drivers Club. If you are new to HPDE then you can start off slow in the introductory group that NJMP Drivers Club offers. This provides more classroom sessions and a more paced track session with more instructor involvement to help you get up to speed with HPDE in a progressive way. Likewise, if your seven is not available for this event then there are other non-seven sessions open for you to continue to join in the fun in a group suited for your car of choice. This will be a sevens only HPDE run group session. To make it this way we have to compromise run group rules. It will be with passing only on straights with a point by. No passing in corners or braking zones. No passengers on track other than for Drivers Club accredited instructors. Usual safety gear rules apply - in date helmets, long pants, closed toe shoes, arm restraints, in date belts, head below roll bar level, car freshly serviced, etc. This is not a race - it is a HPDE event. Those wanting to come here and set lap records should find another event as the aim is to enjoy the dynamic abilities of our sevens in a safe environment. Full safety gear requirements will follow in a later update. Like last year we will have access to some instructors who are present as part of the day. Many of these instructors have driven and been passengers in sevens and know our cars well. They are very experienced and even if they do not accompany you out on track they will spend the time talking best lines on the track map in the pit building - definitely worth it for that. NJMP is located in Millville, in southern NJ, about an hour east of Philadelphia and 2.5 hours south of New York City. It is easily reached off I-95. There are a variety of accommodation options available. NJMP has pit suites (comfortable motel units on the NJMP property over the top of the Thunderbolt pits) or luxury villa accommodation over on the Thunderbolt circuit. Millville has a lot of hotel options - Fairfield Inn, Holiday Inn, Days Inn, Quality Inn, Hampton Inn, Ramada, etc. This is not just a driving event but also a social event. Last year we had quite a few spouses present and enjoying the atmosphere and the evenings. We would love to welcome them back. There are a number of options to explore off-track if watching their partners mess around in their cars is not exciting enough during the day. The beach is a short drive from Millville. Cape Elizabeth down the Jersey Shore is well worth a visit. Atlantic City is 45 minutes drive away. There are a number of local wineries in the area offering tastings. The NJMP Clubhouse has a tennis court, bocce court and swimming pool with full change room facilities. Costs are not yet finalized but are expected to be be similar to last year based on current estimates (say $200 per day for HPDE and $50pp for day visitors to cover insurance, cooked breakfast, gourmet lunch buffet, refreshments and the possibility of accompanying an instructor on track in a seven subject to availability). Tom and I are looking forward to seeing past participants again and welcoming new visitors in 2018. Safe driving! Mike and Tom :seeya:

Hi Lightguy A suggestion might be to send a PM to Leeper on this forum. He had a really nice 83 Donkervoort S7 he was trying to sell at one point but I dont think he ever did? He is the only one I know of with a Donky on this forum. Other than this your next option is to import from Europe. However, even first half 1990s models (eligible for USA import under the 25 year old rule) are getting 50-60k euros these days. Latest top end models are 240k euros! Mobile.de is probably the best site for monitoring. Good luck! cheers mike

Happy New Year John! I found you a New Year's upgrade for your cano...err....Westfield. A new dashboard should give you wood! I note that the rev gauge limit is set to 5500 - should be about right for your Pinto engine? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westfield-SE-Wood-Dashboard-w-Instrumentation-Lotus-7-Seven-LoCost-Birkin/253340601323?hash=item3afc46cbeb:g:-74AAOSwk~ZaSppb&vxp=mtr Moving right along before I get banned permanently.... NEW Lotus 7 S4 - Gullwing car http://www.usa7s.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=13725&stc=1 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-Lotus-Seven-S4/272993367211?hash=item3f8fac34ab:g:rsIAAOSwL81aPVwg&vxp=mtr REPEATS Lotus 7 S2 project https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Lotus-Seven-S2/272751411968?hash=item3f81404300:g:O84AAOSwnK9ZXoMt&vxp=mtr Replica V8 project https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/d/street-legal-hot-rod-track-car/6440585662.html Westfield https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/ctd/d/1965-lotus-seven-westfield/6417322756.html Replica https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/2009-custom-lotus-7-replica/6431655998.html Replica "pick up" https://prescott.craigslist.org/cto/d/1959-lotus-super-7-replica/6410305363.html Westfield V8 "Seight" https://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/cto/d/1968-lotus-super-seven-8/6442269120.html Champion Stage 2 roller https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/lotus-super-seven-replica/6436633520.html Some type of seven with a blackbird engine... https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/2008-super-seven/6432504868.html Caterham https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/caterham/super-7/2033142.html Caterham https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/caterham/super-7/1994795.html Lotus 7 S2 (formerly being sold at Park Place Motors) https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/super-seven/2052722.html Westfield https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/2014940.html Lotus 7 S2 https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/super-seven/1871753.html Westfield https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/westfield/1982882.html Caterham https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/caterham/1956513.html and here http://britauto.com/portfolio-view/201216-nos-caterham-sv-roadsport/

The BAT model tracking data is too short a time period to draw trends and the spec so heavily influences pricing that BAT has a meaningless random scatter plot. Lotus 7 and Caterham have to be considered separately as they have separate depreciation curves (i.e. the Lotus is fully depreciated and now in the classic value upswing phase while most 1985 on Caterhams are still in the depreciation down swing phase. Hagerty has similar tracking data going over a longer period - much better analysis although BAT will get there with time. I have a spreadsheet variation of the theme from the Ebay/Craigslist thread going back to when it started (yes I am a failed actuary). The big thing evident is prices are consistently trending down. While the original Lotus 7 seems to have plateaued/tracked inflation unless it is ultra restored and impeccably validated (extremely rare) in which case prices have risen, the rest - Caterham, Birkin, Westfield, or Stalker - have trended down. Not precipitously but still evident. Why? A couple of reasons: 1) The pound has dropped so new Caterhams/Westfields are much cheaper like 20-30% area although inflation increases offset that 2) The dollar strengthened against the Rand so Birkins are holding fairly consistent in price 3) There is far more supply out there on the market from the last few years of sales 4) I think demand has stayed constant while the supply has increased - this market is a niche market and not a mainstream market. It requires some level of minimum wealth to afford a second "man toy" car. There are probably other reasons but I recommend we get out and just drive! :driving:

Geez you're slow John - its Christmas already for me! :jester:

Show off! We need more in the standard tool kit on this forum! Christmas present to us?

Cheers Mark - I did get a good laugh out of it. There are better looking heads on a pimple. I know I am of generous proportions. But at least no small hands or feet, etc. like Xcarguy or Yellowss7 you know! I guess you are Dallas region. I will keep it in mind as my 2018 travel schedule slowly gets nailed together. Things are still fluid. Merry Christmas! Its Christmas eve where I am and the drinks are starting to be poured! :cheers: PS: Why have our administrators not given us a Santa Claus emoticon? Come on JohnCH - save the day!

Dude! I thought you were a friend! :willy_nilly: Never give Tom or Shane any ideas or openings - they are quicker with the verbal jousts than they are on track!

Derivable? To see the beastie back together again is great. Its been a long road for you to get this far. Congratulations on your new Christmas present to you! :cheers: Now don't get the f$%^ing thing airborne again!

Tillets can be hit or miss depending on your body. I hate them because of a broken tailbone so the back pain rules them out for me. Others think they are fantastic. You can buy them direct in the US from Tillet but I would suggest you try them on first. If you want the Caterham seats then you can try Bruce Beachman (Caterham dealer PNW) as he keeps a range of spares or may have old ones handy. The other dealers don't have the same spares range from my experience (but by all means give them a call and try) and it still may be cheaper to buy direct from the UK (they are UK made and US dealers buy through Cat UK and then ship them so the likely math is obvious). I can only think of a handful of times in the last 10 years when they came up for sale on the forum as second hand resales.

The seats are not cheap - here is the link. Need to buy the headrest too. https://caterhamparts.co.uk/seats/4561-cloth-seat-standard-new-seat-runners-2010.html?search_query=seat&results=32 or if you are feeling really rich buy the leather seat https://caterhamparts.co.uk/seats/6055-sv-carbon-leather-seat.html?search_query=seat&results=32 That said they are a perfect touring seat for long hours driving.

I was thinking of the 2 door sports "minivan" that popped up on my phone texts in the last week Oh thats it hiding under the car cover behind the cobra! Have you forgotten to tell the Boss again? :jester:

I actually quite like it putting aside the inappropriate mud flaps for which some HR flunkey would bust my chops if I ever drove it to the office. But I cannot buy another car so soon - I certainly have no hope of keeping up with Xcarguy and his ever expanding car collection Getting in early this weekend NEW None REPEATS Lotus 7 S2 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Lotus-Seven-S2/272751411968?hash=item3f81404300:g:O84AAOSwnK9ZXoMt&vxp=mtr and here https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/7/1972000.html Caterham Superlight https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/d/lotus-super-7-caterham/6413414514.html Replica V8 project https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/d/street-legal-hot-rod-track-car/6403498569.html Westfield https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/ctd/d/1965-lotus-seven-westfield/6417322756.html and here https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/westfield/2043172.html Replica https://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/d/reduced-lotus-super-7/6373578781.html The Seven Pick up truck http://www.usa7s.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=13672&stc=1 http://www.usa7s.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=13671&stc=1 https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/cto/d/1959-austin-healey-lotus/6415437598.html and here https://prescott.craigslist.org/cto/d/1959-austin-healey-lotus/6410305363.html Lotus 7 S2 https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/authentic-1962-lotus-s7-rhd/6375770460.html Champion Stage 2 Roller https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/lotus-super-seven-replica/6374611397.html Westfield 7 V8 ("Seight") https://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/cto/d/1968-lotus-super-seven-8/6363776282.html Caterham https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/caterham/super-7/2033142.html Caterham https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/caterham/super-7/1994795.html Caterham https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/caterham/1890154.html Westfield https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/2014940.html Lotus 7 S2 https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/super-seven/1871753.html Lotus 7 S2 https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/super-seven/1988471.html Westfield https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/westfield/1982882.html Westfield https://classiccars.com/listings/view/992785/1965-lotus-seven-for-sale-in-washington-missouri-63090 Caterham SV https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/caterham/1956513.html and here http://britauto.com/portfolio-view/201216-nos-caterham-sv-roadsport/ WANTED If you are looking to sell a Lotus 7 S4, here is someone who wants one https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/lotus-wanted/6413680189.html And for me that is it for the year. I am traveling for the rest of the year and will be back online on Jan 7 to update this thread. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, etc wishes for the Season to you and your families!

Bit late this week NEW Caterham Superlight R Zetec - looks to be Kampena Motors in Sonoma? https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Lotus-Super-Seven/122846685410?hash=item1c9a3ba8e2:g:DO4AAOSwJtdaJ1NR&vxp=mtr Westfield https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/ctd/d/1965-lotus-seven-westfield/6417322756.html Replica Seven "pick up" http://www.usa7s.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=13670&stc=1 https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/cto/d/1959-austin-healey-lotus/6415437598.html REPEATS Stalker XL V8 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-Replica-Kit-Makes-Stalker-XL/112650880947?hash=item1a3a8407b3:g:fgIAAOSw6WFaAdfS&vxp=mtr Lotus 7 S2 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Lotus-Seven-S2/272751411968?hash=item3f81404300:g:O84AAOSwnK9ZXoMt&vxp=mtr and here asking $45k https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/d/lotus-super-7-caterham/6413414514.html Replica V8 project https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/d/street-legal-hot-rod-track-car/6403498569.html Replica https://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/d/reduced-lotus-super-7/6373578781.html Westfield 7 V8 "Seight" https://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/cto/d/1968-lotus-super-seven-8/6363776282.html Lotus 7 S2 https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/authentic-1962-lotus-s7-rhd/6375770460.html Champion Stage 2 replica roller https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/lotus-super-seven-replica/6374611397.html Wanted Someone wants a Lotus 7 S4 if one of you is selling? https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/lotus-wanted/6413680189.html Parts - seven rear wings https://harrisburg.craigslist.org/pts/d/lotus-7-brunton-stalker/6393649945.html

I recall there was a similar outcry 2-3 years ago when the Texas DMV did a similar punitive action on Ariel Atoms, rescinding titles and registration and banning them from the street. Their issue was that they never replicated anything. Polaris Slingshot had issues for a while until they worked out how to squeeze it into the TX regs as a motorcycle.