crewst Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Drudgereport, theblaze and elsewhere reporting on or linking to this story... summary: woman doesn't like the county reassessing her property without inspecting it, county assessor doesn't like being questioned, claims she threatened him, gets her arrested and guns confiscated. Similar story was out in CA (surprise, surprise) http://www.infowars.com/new-jersey-woman-arrested-for-reciting-constitution-at-tax-meeting/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slngsht Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Yup, it's starting http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/12/calif-gun-owner-who-says-she-admitted-herself-to-mental-hospital-for-medication-adjustment-has-guns-confiscated/# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slomove Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Not sure what to think about this, especially the assessor story. There may be more about it than the news clip mentions. As for the mentally (maybe mildly) challenged woman, even the NRA is calling for limited access of mentally ill to weapons. But how do you implement that without setting some kind of criteria and well if you live with a mentally ill person you probably have to give up your guns. For that matter, would you confiscate the guns of the mother of the maniac from Newtown, CT (before it happened)? I am not sure if anybody even knew her son was as disturbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky dawg Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Odd that apparently no "mainstream" news media picked up on the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slngsht Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 what's the definition of access? if guns are in a safe and the person with past mental problems doesn't have access to the safe, does that count? Where do her rights stop and his rights start? is there a due process for clearing your name? if you were involuntarily held, what is the process to prove it was wrong, or a temporary problem? or do you automatically lose your right? did they give this family any kind of legal notice to have a chance to state their case why they are not a threat to society? Here's from another article on the subject: Merely being in a database of registered gun owners and having a “disqualifying event,” such as a felony conviction or restraining order, isn’t sufficient evidence for a search warrant, Marsh said March 5 during raids in San Bernardino County. So the agents often must talk their way into a residence to look for weapons, he said. This is how they show up. Would you answer the door and let them in if you haven't done anything wrong? http://www.bloomberg.com/image/i6tRQitg4NJs.jpg Explain to me how this person's due process rights were not violated. Did they have probable cause for any kind of imminent danger that this person posed? Clearly they had possessed the weapon for several months after the hospital visit - the article mentions no incidents or complaints about the family. Finally, was this family compensated for the weapons removed? Or they just came in the house and took it. aside from the 2nd amendment, there are very serious constitutional issues with what's going on - at least with forth and fifth amendments. Cases like this are exactly the reason many gun owners are turning against any kind of background check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slngsht Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Odd that apparently no "mainstream" news media picked up on the story. I'm sure it was an oversight and they'll get right on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjslutz Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 I'm not so sure they will get their guns or compensation. Look what the government did after hurricane Katrina. They took guns from home owners that needed them to protect their families and homes. The second amendment was also to protect ourselves from our government as well as from criminals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slomove Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 .........The second amendment was also to protect ourselves from our government as well as from criminals. Sure. When they come for you you are going to show them. It is a while ago but how did that work for the Confederates? Don't tell me the military is not going to shoot at fellow citizens when ordered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slngsht Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Sure. When they come for you you are going to show them. It is a while ago but how did that work for the Confederates? Don't tell me the military is not going to shoot at fellow citizens when ordered. Following your logic, there has never been an uprising against oppressive governments. You didn't answer my post on whether you think that family's constitutional rights to due process were violated or not. To your point, if the swat team shows up at my door, I'll turn in my registered guns. I don't want to get shot. But, if they do that enough times, there are parts of the country where local authorities will be on the side of the citizens, not the thugs. Then the citizens will shoot back to defend themselves if it comes to that. Of course their Maryland or California are one of those states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoPho Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 (edited) But, if they do that enough times, there are parts of the country where local authorities will be on the side of the citizens, not the thugs. Then the citizens will shoot back to defend themselves if it comes to that. Of course their Maryland or California are one of those states. Well then clearly any legislation enacted will be meaningless and gun folk got nothing to worry about since they can overpower the govt with their guns So quit yer whining! . . Edited March 16, 2013 by MoPho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjslutz Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 You are correct I don't know of any citizenry that refused to turn their guns when the government came for them. Millions of them were then exterminated, history has many examples. I sure hope we don't give in either. Not all of us can afford to have bodyguards full time, as many of the people in power do have at our expense. The police have guns to protect them, not us. They rarely get to an active crime scene. They do have the time required to get there to take the report though. Too few for the area they cover. I live in an area that would take over 20 to 40 min. to get one to our home. We live in a low crime area, and feel secure but need to be prepared on our own. We are the ones that cling to our guns and bibles and older family values. I don't know the exact issues of having a person in the house that has received meds or help for nerves that would trip the issue. I would think if they didn’t have access to a gun it could be ok. I know for aviation it can be a got you if you were even prescribed the wrong meds even for sleeping. I know of a few people that had major problems and spent much time and money to get their tickets back from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slomove Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 (edited) Following your logic, there has never been an uprising against oppressive governments. You didn't answer my post on whether you think that family's constitutional rights to due process were violated or not. To your point, if the swat team shows up at my door, I'll turn in my registered guns. I don't want to get shot. But, if they do that enough times, there are parts of the country where local authorities will be on the side of the citizens, not the thugs. Then the citizens will shoot back to defend themselves if it comes to that. Of course their Maryland or California are one of those states. Sorry for not answering, but I thought it was more of a rhetorical question. But for that matter, honestly I don't know enough about that case. Media reports are notoriously scarce of detail and are sometimes incorrect. With the Internet opinion frenzy is has gotten worse. People jump immediately to conclusion based on some preconceived mindset. I was only thinking out loud that there are complaints of unfair treatment of this family because of some indication of mental issues. On the other hand the hard core gun right folks refuse any gun restrictions saying it is not the guns but we need to track the mentally ill. So what are we going to do? No gun bans and when it comes to limiting gun access for people with questionable mental health, we can not do that either. I don't have a solution for that. I am not strictly against guns, after all my son has a collection of antique military rifles in our home (100 years ago they were assault rifles) and I hope he is not going to shoot us by accident sometimes or because I drank the last beer in the fridge. But I would support a full registration and license requirement as well as very strict storage rules. At least then there would be some minimal accountability. But I know that is not going to happen anytime soon. As for fighting the government, I just see this as naive. If they become bad enough to fight (what is actually the criteria for that?) at that point they will have an army of willing supporters assure conformity. But you know what? In many cases when authoritarian regimes took over during the last 100 years, they were rather from the conservative political spectrum, quite often as a military coup. If that ever happens here, you may lose your guns but at least they are conservative. Edited March 16, 2013 by slomove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjslutz Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 If we register and license our guns, we should box them up and wait for the goverment when they come for them. If someone evil breaks into my house, I will not be one who will need to ask them to wait till I go get a gun from the safe. I don't beleive I or anyone could survive a military encounter. We would be like the encounter with native americans and the military. It is my beleif though if it degrades to this, the worst is yet to come. We all have our opinions on this issue, and we all think we are thinking correct. Most Police officers feel as I do, if that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slngsht Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 proper way to deal with 'em... also in NJ. Different outcome. Again, they show up with no warrant and try to intimidate their way in... http://deloc.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8175 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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