keeping the lies straight is so hard.

[slngsht]

Trouble is. We were never a true democracy anyway. But. What little freedom we have left is very quickly being eroded away. And it's really our fault as voters. The faulty aspect I refer to has taken place over the course of decades. It started when we allowed the gov. to set up the Federal reserve. It continued with Social Security, Although partially successful. It set the precedent of ceding rights and responsibilities over to the government that was & is the responsibility of the individual.

 

Of course being run by people, The more power one gives a faceless government politician the more power they will want. It's human nature. We the voters did this because we really wanted to believe that they had our best interest at heart. Which they didn't. But of course it has been going on for so long that the horse has left the barn and may be lost. As to fix this whole thing will be very, very painful indeed. But as most will not want to endure any hardships to get the cart righted. We will in fact just keep on doing what we are doing. Which is voting for the one whom promises the most free stuff. The fact that our free stuff is taken from others to be given to us doesn't seem to bother us very much. Yet we have an apoplectic fit should we be required by the government to give something up. We always say take from the rich and give to the poor. Problem then becomes, Define rich. No matter who you ask, They will always quote a figure above what they have as being rich.

 

You're completely wrong (no you're not, LOL. You hit the nail on the head).

 

Still - policy aside, it doesn't excuse this administration's "He knew nothing" answer to every bad thing that pops up.

[s2k7]

if we are too friendly with each other -- this site will be very boring.

i rather see your shadow and color...... i don't want pretending & lying hahaha !

 

mix it up....is always good

[bigdog]

if we are too friendly with each other -- this site will be very boring.

i rather see your shadow and color...... i don't want pretending & lying hahaha !

 

mix it up....is always good

 

I like mixing it up. But, I do think that a lot of folks are realizing that the real enemy of us are politicians in general. I think that is a good sign though. As the government loves it when the citizens are at each others throats thereby drawing fire from the real issues at hand. dishonest career politicians. What's that old saying. Governments most fear an informed citizen above all other things.

Edited December 8, 2013 by bigdog

[JohnK]

I don't think anyone has trouble getting really angry about the political theater that ALL the politicians are staging, but getting angry doesn't solve anything. It absolutely does all come down to "We the People..." and it is up to US. But the Constitution was constructed when there weren't so many people and life was both a whole lot harsher and had a lot fewer pieces for a person to manage. And all of those involved in setting up and running the country were highly educated and had historical precedent to guide them in what they could all agree upon made sense - BUT THEY KNEW THAT WHAT THEY WERE PUTTING TOGETHER WAS AN EXPERIMENT. NO CULTURE BEFORE OURS HAD ATTEMPTED TO IMPLEMENT A LIBERAL DEMOCRACY (which is what our government is in the grand scheme of things). And whether we like it or not, it's still an experiment and we still have to pay attention to how it's playing out and keep on making adjustments to it based on what comes about next, and without knowing what those adjustments are going to result in in the future. We have to figure out how to manage things, and we don't have any rules to use. And we don't have a device to measure how we're doing.

 

The scarriest issues that I see (admitting mine is only one small view - just like everyone else's) are that the Country has gotten so big and the systems (like capitalism, and government, and health, and cultures, and social organizations, and technology, and the economics ...) have become so complex that it takes a lifetime for a smart and dedicated person to get their mind around anyone of them, and any one issue by itself is not going to show the way to making things better. All these different facets of what we live in affect us and these facets all influence each other in ways that very few (if any) people understand.

 

It seems to me that what came out of the 1600's is the most workable approach mankind has produced: and that is that the world appears to operate according to natural laws, and that if we conduct experiments designed to reveal these laws and study and reason out the results of our experiments among ourselves, we can discover what these laws are and then decide how to use them to our benefit.

 

The guy who cuts my hair knows in his heart that his particular bible and his or his minister's particular interpretation of its words hold the key to making the world work right.

 

I don't understand how to accept something as true that has no substantive foundation, other than how it feels to me.

 

My barber doesn't know how to accept something that is the result of investigation-produced factual results verified and examined by those knowledgeable in that area.

 

My barber works and pays his taxes. I work and pay my taxes. We both vote in hopes of making things better, or at least keeping them from getting worse. Perhaps what the two of us, and the millions of others who are doing the same thing, is going to produce is a culture which is stew of our different views. I have no idea how such a process will produce anything other than chaos. But, having become old, I take comfort in two things. The first is that (I hope) I will eventually finish my car and have a grand time driving it. Second that I will, hopefully on my own terms, get to die and leave this whole mess behind.

[bigdog]

But where it all changed so drastically was the establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank. A private bank that controls the money supply. Do a little synopses quick read of a book called "the creature from Jekyll island"

Before the FED a bank could only loan out what it had in it's vault. After that the "special" people that had banks were allowed to loan more money than they had. It's called fractional banking. It can work provided one maintains very tight controls on it. Also, 5 of the 7 bankers that formed the FED were foreign nationals. So when the congress approved this FRB deal they did it knowing that they could now just have their buddies at the bank produce more money. which produces a false impression of wealth being created. When in fact it's just borrowing on the credit card.

[JohnK]

But where it all changed so drastically was the establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank. A private bank that controls the money supply. Do a little synopses quick read of a book called "the creature from Jekyll island"

Before the FED a bank could only loan out what it had in it's vault. After that the "special" people that had banks were allowed to loan more money than they had. It's called fractional banking. It can work provided one maintains very tight controls on it. Also, 5 of the 7 bankers that formed the FED were foreign nationals. So when the congress approved this FRB deal they did it knowing that they could now just have their buddies at the bank produce more money. which produces a false impression of wealth being created. When in fact it's just borrowing on the credit card.

 

And the whole blinking system is a Ponzi scheme. Ever heard of "The Dismal Science"? One quote from a graduate student I was chatting with at a really prestigeous university was "Economists largely try to understand history, and they don't do that very well." Because our study of economics has no principles that it relies on (none that anyone has been able to discover) there's no way of showing that anything is true or false - so you can claim ANYTHING about an economic situation and it's all make believe. So the talk show hosts instead just concentrate on how well they can keep people wound up - rather than trying to help the situation - and what a great way to get rich - write pieces on the problems of economics and no one can call you a liar because there's no way to tell what's a lie.

[Off Road SHO]

Speaking of true stories...

 

 

 

 

The Pope went on vacation for a few days to visit the rugged mountains of Alaska . He was cruising along the campground in the Pope-Mobile when he heard a frantic commotion just at the edge of the woods. He found a helpless Democrat wearing shorts, sandals, a "Vote for Obama" hat and a Save the Trees' shirt. The man was screaming and struggling frantically, thrashing all about, and trying to free himself from the grasp of a 10-foot grizzly bear.

 

As the Pope watched in horror, three Republican loggers wearing 'Go Sarah' shirts came racing up. One quickly fired a .44 magnum slug right into the bear's chest. The two other men pulled the semi-conscious Democrat from the bear's grasp. Then using baseball bats, the three loggers finished off the bear. Two of the men dragged the dead grizzly onto the bed of their pick-up truck while the other tenderly placed the injured Democrat in the back seat.

 

As they began to leave, the Pope summoned all of the men over to him. "I give you my blessing for your brave actions!" he proudly proclaimed. "I had heard there was bitter hatred between Republican loggers and Democratic environmental activists but now I've seen with my own eyes that this is not true."

 

As the Pope drove off, one of the loggers asked his buddies, "Who the heck was that guy?"

 

"Dude, that was the Pope," another replied. "He's in direct contact with Heaven and has access to all wisdom."

 

"Well," the logger said, "he may have access to all wisdom but he doesn't know squat about bear hunting! By the way, is the bait still alive or do we need to go back to California and get another one?"

[JohnK]

That's funny !