No_6 Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 How? Not that I think I'll ever been pushing the car hard enough to warrant this, but I would like to learn the technique "just because." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slngsht Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Even if you're not driving at the limit, it is just fun - and habit forming. There are a couple of methods based on pedal configuration, but for me, what works best is braking with the ball of my foot, and rolling the outside of my foot to the throttle to tap it in order to rev match before slipping in the lower gear when downshifting. There is a very good vid of a guy doing it. A video is better than a thousand words. I'll try to find it. When done right, you will not feel any deceleration due to engine braking (nor any acceleration)... just a smooth transition as you downshift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slngsht Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 this vid shows the other technique, where you actually tap the gas with your heel >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6837150333096546791&q=heel+toe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catie Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 I agree with slngsht. This is the way I've been doing it for many years. Maybe it could be called foot and ankle instead of heel and toe. http://www.usa7s.com/forum/smileys/biggrin5.gif I do consider it very important to use the ball of your foot for the brake pedal to get good feel, and to be able to modulate. If you were to use your heel, you end up using the mass of your leg muscle to control the brake pedal, and it's just about impossible to properly modulate at the limits of adhesion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slngsht Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 this is a one sec video, so don't blink. This is the style I'm most comfortable with. It really depends on the pedal configuration on the car too. >http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&p=heel+toe+shifting&b=1&oid=d99d226442336718&rurl=forums.vwvortex.com&vdone=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.yahoo.com%2Fvideo%2Fsearch%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26p%3Dheel%2Btoe%2Bshifting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al N. Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 At Skip Barber, my instructor gave me a good "swing thought" for heel-toe...it had to do with the position of your knee. This was more of the "roll the foot" way as opposed to the heel thing shown in that vid that Mazda posted. The way I learned...to just brake, keep your right knee directly above the right foot. To tap the throttle under braking, roll knee to the right and the foot will generally follow. BTW, in my experience, a lot of the success of heel toe-ing has to do with the pedal set up. In my old focus ZX3, it was really easy. Not so much in the TT. And the Seven...funny but I haven't tried it yet. Maybe I'm braking way too early?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al N. Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Or perhaps it's because with the 6 speed cat gearbox, i do very little downshifting when entering corners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slngsht Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Maybe I'm braking way too early?! Brakes in a seven are only used when you arrive at your destination http://www.usa7s.com/aspnetforum/images/emoticons/biggrin5.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevet Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 I too tend to roll my foot - maybe a function of size 12 feet (see Al's footwear thread). I originally learned it from a friend who raced vintage cars, most with no synchro so you had to double de-clutch on downshifts. A good way to learn how to match revs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_6 Posted August 29, 2006 Author Share Posted August 29, 2006 Thanks for the resources! Those videos help a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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