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Thanks Scott. It's amazing to find that a number of car owners have asked this question on the web and there seems to be no conclusive answer. Even Ai suggests on older (vintage) cars, valve stem seals are not necessary, but it doesn't mention bronze guides. "I took a drive the other day, and parked the car to take a stroll. Came back to my car and a note on the windshield said "Parking Fine". It's great when someone congratulates you on your driving abilities".

At the risk of answering my own question, (but to put this post to bed?) I have checked a further couple of books by U.K. Ford Crossflow tuners, and the consensus seems to be that valve stem seals should be placed on the inlet valve at the very least, (to prevent carbon build-up in the head and inlet manifold), but on both valves is preferable. In my small collection of Ford Crossflow reference books, these stem seals are hardly mentioned, if at all. With double valve springs fitted, the original Ford factory 'umbrella' stem seals will not fit, but with single springs - which they were designed for - they will work as they were meant to. David Wallage in his book on tuning the Crossflow noted that some tuners install rubber 'O' rings on the stems for double springs, but he was not fond of this practice, although they will probably work o.k. I also found the 'Felpro' site and it shows the 2 main types of valve stem seal. I plan to stick with the Ford 'umbrella' stem seals (unless someone has other ideas), as they will help to limit too much oil going down the guide, but still allow some oil to splash on the stems for necessary lubrication. Cheers, W.

The web has a few car forums where owners of cars from small European sports cars to U.S. muscle cars inquire about using valve stem seals with silicon or manganese bronze valve guides. Some say yes, you should fit them, and others say no with a mix of reputable car mechanics advising either way. I have a Holbay Ford cylinder head that some describe as Stage II - fitted with larger 1.6" inlet valves, but not so large as to cause possible cracking between the inlet and exhaust valve seats. The head was new and based on an 1100 c.c. flat cylinder head as there is/was more metal available to grind away for porting (Note: recommendation of David Vizard many, many years ago to use an 1100 uprated flat head on the 1600 c.c. 711M Crossflow which I will be rebuilding). Holbay fitted harder exhaust seats for unleaded fuel, stainless steel valves, and silicon bronze valve guides. Double springs are fitted, but I am thinking of using singles. Holbay did not fit valve stem seals to the double springs. I checked with Burton a couple of years ago as I was considering using 'special' stem seals on the valves (with single springs), but Burton did not recommend using stem seals, as they believe that the valve stem and guide would not receive sufficient lubrication. Some say there is burnt oil smoke on start-up with no seals, and that this goes away quite quickly. Also mentioned was valve stem seizing if there is insufficient flow of oil due to the seals doing too fine of a job. I have read that tuners installing stainless valves fitted in silicon bronze guides normally specify minimum clearances from new, thereby requiring a good flow of oil. Has anybody with road or racing experience seen premature wear with stem seals fitted to bronze guides? I don't want to be trailing smoke and polluting the neighbourhood - even with a car that has no pollution control to speak of - so advice would be much appreciated. W

Hi @Rodnok. I have a pair of Lotus Seven windscreen stanchions made out of 1/8" steel exactly to the shape of the Lotus originals for free which you could use as a pattern, but I think that it may be a hassle for both of us to ship them from Canada to you unless you know of a way? All I would ask for is shipping cost. EW

@anduril3019 and @skou. I wondered where page 2 was, as I could never find it, guessing that the person who posted the drawings had omitted page 2 in error. I also found a set of drawings in 8.5" x 11" posted on the web courtesy of a company called 'Fisher and Paykel Ltd', (Laundry Division!?) for a Lotus Seven Series 3, metric measurements, with top and bottom front wishbones looking more like a Caterham or perhaps a Locost? George Cushing also provided a drawing for a Seven Series 2 on his site, and his Imperial measurements very closely match up with the ones I took from my old Universal Radiator frame. There are also a couple of pages of drawings on the Locost site with no credit provided for the person who drew them. They show all of the brackets required on a Seven frame, along with the necessary radius bends for the frame members, but again metric measurements. Just in the miscellaneous (useless?) information category, but in the mid 1980s, Lotus - in their official club magazine - were offering factory drawings for sale of a number of their sports and racing cars (I can't remember which cars, but from the Lotus 20 possibly up to the Lotus 77? John Donohoe may still have the copy of the magazine I sent to him?) The Seven was not included because Caterham had purchased the rights to the car (Series 3 and 4) in 1973. Even the 37 and the 7X were not included as the 37 frame would be almost identical to a Series 2/3 frame, and the 7X was a design by Mike Pilbeam, head draughtsman/designer of Lotus at the time, with the car based on a Series 4 with considerable modifications. Mike Pilbeam has retained the drawings in his personal collection. He was very helpful describing the frame, but could not locate the drawings when I inquired a few years ago. When it was realized by Lotus Legal Department that unlawful copies of the drawings could be reproduced, Lotus withdrew the offer on advice from their legal department. I also read in the magazine about a purchaser who complained about the cost of postage to send the drawings in a mailing tube to his U.K. address (12 shillings and sixpence at the time I seem to recall - probably less than $2.00 U.S. in today's money?). Lotus promptly refunded his payment and the drawings were not advertised again as far as I can determine. The Lotus Club magazines I had were published in 1983 and 1984, as one included the commemoration of Colin Chapman (following his death in December 1982), and Lotus at the 1983 Silverstone GP, when a number of different models of Lotus Cars completed a circuit of the track prior to the G.P. I was fortunate to obtain a pit pass at this race, and took photos of many of the different Lotus Models lined up at the end of the paddock. W.

Scott. As you know, I'm as vintage as the Lotus Seven, so I did wonder if these pdfs would work! I can send them to your email if you want them? W.

Pat Prince Lotus 7 S2_Sheet 3.pdfPat Prince Lotus 7 S2_Sheet 1.pdfHi Scott. There was a similar set of drawings on the Facebook Lotus Historic Register. A contributor on Locost USA downloaded a similar set from Pat Prince, who dissected a Series 2 frame, and took as many measurements as he could. Pat Prince took over the work of DSK when the owners folded the company. I'll attach the files here and hope that they download? With thanks and recognition of the locost usa forum. W Pat Prince Lotus 7 S2_Sheet 4.pdf Pat Prince Lotus 7 S2_Sheet 5.pdf Pat Prince Lotus 7 S2_Sheet 6.pdf Pat Prince Lotus 7 S2_Sheet 7.pdf Pat Prince Lotus 7 S2_Sheet 8.pdf Pat Prince Lotus 7 S2_Sheet 9.pdf

That's why Rob Cox-Allison named his racing 7 in the U.K. 'Black Brick' due to its colour and its less than desirable aerodynamics. Although he added spoilers front and rear, and fitted a hard top, he was seriously compromised on speed. Tom Robertson added a spoiler to the nose cone of his championship winning Lotus Seven in 1977 (and beat the more streamlined TR7s of the Triumph team), but it seems that Lotus in the U.K. never went this route. Many racers there and in North America kept the clam shells, and the couple of Lotus factory racers (Type 37 and 7X) never fitted spoilers or made the cars more aerodynamic as-built from the factory. When Tim Goss drove the race winning 7X, the nose cone that originally appeared on the car (and was very similar to the Series 4), was later given more of a droop, but otherwise remained as factory assembled. Barry Foley then took it over and rebuilt the car making it much more streamlined, but looking nothing like a Seven of any stripe. W.

Also, sad to read of the death of Chuck Negron of Three Dog Night a few days ago from heart failure and COPD. She who must be obeyed and myself really enjoy listening to this band. Floyd Sneed, who passed away in 2023, was Calgary, Alberta, born and raised. His family was one of the first to settle in Alberta under a programme to entice U.S. farmers to settle in the prairies. W

Hello Henry. I have just checked the library and your file is there, apologies for not checking before.. I have just measured an old set from a Lotus Seven Series 3 (same as later Series 2 cars), and the measurement, with spring, from perch to perch is as noted in your file - 9 inches. The measurement from the centre of the top mount to the centre of the bottom mount on my set is 12-3/4 inches plus or minus (one was 12-5/8", the other 12-3/4"). Some of the springs supplied to Lotus to mount on the Armstrong dampers were known to sag (according to Lotus). Trust this helps @Bill W

Hi Bill. Please check https://anglocanadianlotus7.ca. There are some measurements posted there that may be of assistance. @SENC sent me some original Armstrong data regarding Series 2 springs and dampers a few years ago that is also very helpful. Perhaps he or I can send that to you also? W.

Not sure if many Seven/7 owners in Canada purchase from the U.K., but I've recently received a few orders from shops from over the 'pond' via Royal Mail, and the service has been fast and I've been kept informed of the routing every step of the way. Not sure if this is new, but I don't have to sign in to the Royal Mail website, they just send me email updates as the shipment progresses? Also, postage and insurance rates seem very reasonable - at least from some suppliers, plus Canada Post has also been very fast with these same deliveries when they arrive here. Found a couple of quotes on-line, one from Jeremy Clarkson: 'Colin Chapman summed up his philosophy thus: "Simplify and add lightness". Mind you he also said "You would never catch me driving a racing car that I have built". 'Which probably explains why Lotus came to be known as an acronym for Lots Of Trouble, Usually Serious'. "Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone driving faster is a maniac?" George Carlin. Happy New Year. W.

Hi Tim. I found these pages in my notes from when I purchased my car. The second owner had raced the car in Canada. The first 2 pages were from a 'black book' but not sure if it was SCCA or CASC (Canadian Automobile Sports Clubs 1958 - 1988). I have also included a page from the CASC dated 1978, which specifically details the Series 3, however you may note the error of the person/body/organizer who typed in the note that the front brakes specified for the 'Lotus Super Seven Series 3' were '8" drum' with a disc brake conversion as an option.. As front drums had not been used on a Lotus Seven for quite a number of years (and never were used on the Series 3), one can only conclude that they took the info from a very old spec. regarding the Series 1 or early Series 2 cars? Also, not sure if they 'borrowed' the specs from the SCCA? Forum members who race(d) in the older SCCA series may know if the smaller pages are in fact SCCA or possibly CASC specifications? Will. And a P.S. Tim. I hope you won't require a magnifying glass to read the specifications? They are from a very old photocopy from the early 1970s.

Hello Henry. Thank you for all the info. I noted that the same Elan forum also contained a comparison between the 105E and 113E bellhousing ('Difference between 105E and 113E bellhousing') which also shows the factory machined clearance in a 105E unit. As @MV8 advised, it would be a good idea to check the clearances just for peace of mind. On another note, I just received an ad from 'Absolute Lotus' magazine. Although I don't subscribe, I purchased some back editions and they placed me on their list. In the 2026 edition, there is a story of a 90 year old Lotus Elan driver who still competes in hillclimbs (but thinking of hanging up his overalls?). Oh to be young again! Also sad to hear about Chris Rea noted in another post on this forum. Merry Christmas to all, and a Safe and Prosperous New Year. Cheers. W.

Hello Henry. I still can't find the article on the Twin Cam bellhousing, but I did find some interesting perspectives on which type is suggested for use on https://forums.lotuselan.net Two contributors, '2cams70' and 'promotor' (under the heading '4 speed bellhousing') provide details on the Ford bellhousing part numbers. '2cams70' advised that some 105E bellhousings he had seen were professionally machined internally (by Ford?) for clearance for the slightly larger twin cam flywheel and clutch. The bellhousing was apparently given a different part number by Ford (not necessarily a different casting number?) due to the machining process. W.