randychase Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Last of the imports pre-Superformance! These are being sold under the old pricing. They will not last long. CSR- Krypton Green with black pack, carbon front wings and dash, quick release and Momo Wheel, 4-point belts. CSR- white with black pack and black noseband, leather seats in choice of red or black, carbon front wings and dash, quick release and Momo wheel, 4-points. Approx $55k FOB Denver which is $15k under the new MSRP. Both are kits and require engines, gearboxes, and assembly which can all be arranged. Kits are on shore almost any day now... so you will also not be waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest speedcraft Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 can you provide full spec of both cars [what carbon bits, seats, dash layout, etc etc] also as im told by both cat USA and UK, the CSR was never available to as a roller or kit but always had to be ordered with the Cosworth motor and either 6 sp or sequential with dry sump....is the complete 260hp cosworth/tranny and kit available and pricing for the whole package? if parting it out...how much for just the engine? are you the owner of these two cars or representing the owner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randychase Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 Well, it is still a roller kit that requires you to buy the drivetrain. One still has to source the Cosworth engine ($17K?) and a suitable gearbox. We are building a CSR with an RST V8 and Sadev sequential, so other options are available. For most states registration requires you to source the drivetrain from a separate entity than the one selling you the roller kit. To be clear I am trying to help Jon in Denver sell these kits as he is very busy and overseas a lot. And my personal take is this a bargain and the last of the bargain CSRs. So I am trying to let the community know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboWood Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 In Europe the CSR is not offered as a kit, but in the US it's required by law. This is probably why Caterham is rethinking the CSR strategy. As I'm in the middle of a build I can tell you the assy instructions for a CSR has some holes. $70k msrp....holly $hit! Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky dawg Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Randy - How was it determined that these are $15k below the new prices since CSRs are no longer part of the Caterham lineup in the US? With Caterhams usually being "bespoke" purchases, were these ordered by customers who changed their minds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blubarisax Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 The Sadev is one sweet gearbox! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randychase Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 In Europe the CSR is not offered as a kit, but in the US it's required by law. This is probably why Caterham is rethinking the CSR strategy. As I'm in the middle of a build I can tell you the assy instructions for a CSR has some holes. $70k msrp....holly $hit! Daniel We have also seen the instruction issue. Jon was upfront with me that building a CSR is not for the faint of heart and some hand holding is expected. One of my pet peeves being a dealer, was exactly that. The documentation from Caterham UK was excellent. But where things were different in the USA, it was expected to call and get information when I found it. Which from my inner engineer, only means I would rush to document things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randychase Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 Randy - How was it determined that these are $15k below the new prices since CSRs are no longer part of the Caterham lineup in the US? With Caterhams usually being "bespoke" purchases, were these ordered by customers who changed their minds? It is true that one can not buy a CSR now in the USA through normal channels. I think the $15K is based on the average increase in MSRP for all kits. These were not (as I was told) customer cars but instead Jon was offered his last chance to buy his lot of cars... he normally only bought to fill a container..which was I think 6 cars. So any spots not spoken for, he would just buy with some guesses as to the best variation he could sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randychase Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 The Sadev is one sweet gearbox! Indeed. We can't wait to see it mated to the RST V8 engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky dawg Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Well, it is still a roller kit that requires you to buy the drivetrain. ... To be clear I am trying to help Jon in Denver sell these kits as he is very busy and overseas a lot. Randy - You might want to clarify if these are actually rollers (needing only a drivetrain dropped in) like current Caterhams, or full kits like in the past (requiring substantially more work and frustration). Also, your Zenos link is not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randychase Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 I do say in the first post these are kits. To be clear, they are kits. Not rollers. They need to be assembled. And though it can be frustration and is more work, most of my customers actually wanted to build the cars and that was a big reason they selected the Caterham. Jon in Denver *likes* building CSRs and I am sure it could be arranged. Thanks for the note, I was linking to my secure server side.... fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest speedcraft Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 randy...my questions above may have got lost in the last flury of ambiguous responses....so i will try to be clearer: do you own these cars for sale or does Jon? where are are the cosworth motor and tranny for the kits ? are they not available for sale with the rest of the package as ordered from the UK or are they being sold separately? what does the customer do with regards to a CSR/Cosworth orientated wiring loom if a 'normal' duratec motor is fitted? thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest speedcraft Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 randy...apologies...i can see your reply now for some reason where it didnt appear earlier...thanks ...so the cossy motors are not on hand per se but will have to be customer sourced? reason for the questions is im interested in a CSR chassis but with the supercharged duratec motor rather than the cosworth...just seems like a better way to go from cost and HP perspective. having said that, the chassis come pre-wired for the cosworth setup [including ECU ?? which are locked]....thinking through the challenges and cost at the same time here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randychase Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 Right. Jon might have one, I do not know. I know he can source them. If you went with a custom engine idea... it would have been better to start with a Euro Spec CSR, however these are both wired for the standard Cosworth 2.3l engine. If the idea is to use the same supercharged Duratec that is in the 620R, be aware that the supercharger is on the driver's side of the engine bay and supposedly makes it impossible to have a left hand drive, without some engineering. I think it is not that big of a deal to use a stock 2.3l engine. Would need a different ECU and tune I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest speedcraft Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Thanks...yes...that was the thought to basically drop the 620R into the CSR chassis...good point on SC location. I understood cat UK would only start looking at a LHD 620R with a min 10 car demand .... I would imagine its a matter of time until they go this was both in the S3 and CSR chassis...but may take years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randychase Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share Posted May 15, 2014 I was also told they would look at it if they had 10 orders. But I do not think it would be an easy engineering task as the SC really wants to bolt to the intake manifold and that is a tight area where the steering shaft runs. Can you move and then articulate the shaft? Seems non-trivial. I would consider instead a turbo as that could go on the exhaust side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceBe Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 randy...my questions above may have got lost in the last flury of ambiguous responses....so i will try to be clearer: do you own these cars for sale or does Jon? where are are the cosworth motor and tranny for the kits ? are they not available for sale with the rest of the package as ordered from the UK or are they being sold separately? what does the customer do with regards to a CSR/Cosworth orientated wiring loom if a 'normal' duratec motor is fitted? thanks in advance Not sure if all of these questions were fully answered. The Cosworth engine and gearbox are separately sourced. The engine is sourced directly from Cosworth, and the gearbox is available through Caterham/Superformance. The kit comes with many of the necessary parts to fit the Cosworth engine However, the Cosworth engine comes complete, fully dressed and pretty much ready to run. For example, the engine is delivered with the full accessory drive installed, along with clutch/flywheel, full engine harness, roller barrels, ECU etc. Therefore, those parts are *not* included in the vehicle kit. Since the kit anticipates the dry sump system installed on the Cosworth engine, the bell-housing that comes with the kit contains the oil reservoir, swirl tower, etc. Fitting a "normal" Duratec is very do-able, but involves some make-up parts, and sorting the oiling system (wet sump, or, alternate dry-sump with a separate oil reservoir). We have a CSR kit arriving soon - it is available outright, we offer professional assembly services, and can work with you on an alternate power-train solution. Caterham is what we do. -Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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