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I have a hard time wrapping my head around "exact ballpark". But I'd start by calling my agent and asking if SF offers an agreed value policy or even a stated value policy (and, if so, an explanation of how SF's defines the two and implications for settlement). You can also ask the agent if they can help determine approximate value under your current policy, but as that value is based not just on "value" but also depreciation (which is often subject to appraiser evaluation after an incident), I'd bet even if they could give you a ballpark it wouldnt be as exact as you want. Avoiding this ambiguity is the purpose of agreed value and stated value policies, which many insurers offer - I'd bet SF does, too.
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SENC started following '62 Seven: A story of Aquisition and History , Insurance , What do you call your Seven? and 1 other
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The value is fluid, unless you select an "agreed value" type of policy where that value is set annually. The Hagerty policies I have on my 2 Lotus are agreed value, which amounts are stated in the policy documents. I also have elected their "cherished salvage", which gives me the guaranteed right to the vehicle should they deem it totalled.
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Perpetuating the "all kit cars are dune buggies" myth?
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Looking for bellhousing for twincam/crossflow
SENC replied to Healeyracer's topic in General Sevens Discussion
Just looked at that and remember the discussion. At the end, they're both conjecturing that the relieving may have been for a later model Escort that had a different sized ring gear. Also note that 2cams says the machining he's seen appears factory-done. Bottom line... 105e, 109e, and 120e will fit the gearbox and block... but of the 3, only the 105e can fit a clutch larger than 7.5". -
Looking for bellhousing for twincam/crossflow
SENC replied to Healeyracer's topic in General Sevens Discussion
As for sources for the shifter, the best bets are probably Dave Bean (they may not have one, but Gary may have a lead for you) or checking with the Golden Gate Lotus Club and seeing if someone can ask if Mike Ostrov (Elite guru who also had a long history with Sevens) may have one. Or possible find a Cortina lever and cut it down. -
Looking for bellhousing for twincam/crossflow
SENC replied to Healeyracer's topic in General Sevens Discussion
William - the 105e is the one that has capacity for the larger 8" Twin Cam clutch. The 109e is the one typically found on early Sevens, and it has smaller internal dimensions (ribs are on the inside) and may need machining to handle a larger clutch than 7.5". I do know that some Elan owners have installed 8.5" clutch discs, even with the original Elan pressure plate. Whether a full 8.5" setup would fit in a 105e without modification, I do not know. I grabbed pictures of 105e and 109e bellhousings from the web for visual reference of each. -
Looking for bellhousing for twincam/crossflow
SENC replied to Healeyracer's topic in General Sevens Discussion
To Joe's point, we're probably all chasing without knowing HealeyRacer's intent. Specifically to the question of what is the right bellhousing (assuming it is for an Elan gearbox to twink)... the 105e bellhousing. Multiple others will fit the box, and multiple others will fit the engine block. But only the 105e (to my knowledge) will fit the larger Elan clutch and have the clutch slave carrier. As I stated earlier, a 109e bellhousing would work if a 7.25" or 7.5" clutch is in the cards. I probably got off track trying to answer his "guess" that it came from an Elan by digging deeper to suggest that, since it apparently is not, determing what it is and what gear ratios it has may impact whether the gearbox (as-is) is appropriate for his intent (which I assume is a Seven). -
Looking for bellhousing for twincam/crossflow
SENC replied to Healeyracer's topic in General Sevens Discussion
It 100% did not come out of an Elan... unless someone later changed the tailhousing. That notwithstanding, the bits within the gearbox changed even during the life of the Elan, requiring different baulk rings/blocker bars, different bushings and bearings, etc. There weren't a lot of changes, but the wearable parts are not necessarily interchangeable across the transitions. If the innards are in good shape and not too worn and if the gearing will meet your needs and all you plan to do give it a clean, then the above doesn't matter. But if it needs some work, as most of these now 50-60+ y-o boxes do, you'll want to avoid the hassle of wrong parts. EDIT - as I noted in an earlier post, the reason I'm confident this didn't come from an Elan is the shifter turret location (green). Elans did not have the tailhousing with that "port" - I'll grab a picture of one and post it, too. Elans had the shifter turret where the red arrow points. Older Sevens, like mine, that use (essentially) the same gearbox and tailhousing as the Elan required an add-on remote shifter. It bolted to the tailhousing where the red arrow it but moved the shifter back to the equivalent of the turret in your picture. Then, Ford made the tailhousing with the remote turret built-in and Lotus didn't need to the add-on. My recollection (but I havent looked this up in a while and could be mistaken) is that Ford made the tailhousing with remote built-in for the Escort. Lotus definitely used it in some Sevens. I don't have an Elan+2 so perhaps someone can chime in if that car used the remote shifter location, but the Elan did not. EDIT2 - additional picture - the middle tailhousing is the style used in Elans. The right has the built-in remote, like yours.. the left (I think) is for the Anglia. -
Looking for bellhousing for twincam/crossflow
SENC replied to Healeyracer's topic in General Sevens Discussion
Another clue to what the gearbox came from would be the gear ratios, which you probably want to know anyway before deciding whether to use it. Easiest way is probably to count the teeth on each gear. Also, both the gearbox casing and tailhousing should have stamped date codes (though internals could have certainly been rebuilt to other than original specs). There were multiple variants in the 2821 series, so get a good idea of what you actually have before ordering any bits if you are planning a rebuild. -
Looking for bellhousing for twincam/crossflow
SENC replied to Healeyracer's topic in General Sevens Discussion
Given the shifter turret in the back of the tail housing, this gearbox is not from an Elan. Post pictures of the various cast numbers on both the box and tails housing and we may be able to help identify it. Re: the bellhousing... a 105e or 109e bellhousing will fit to the pre-crossflow and twink engines (from a bolt-hole layout perspective). But which you need depends on the overall setup, including clutch). 105e belhousings (identifiable with external ribs) were used on the Elans as they provided more clearance for larger clutches. My S2 Seven has the 109e bellhousing (smooth exterior), which works just fine with the smaller 7.25" and 7.5" clutches. I'd recommend lotuselan.net for further research - there are lots of posts and pictures on gearboxes and bellhousings from folks with lots of experience with them. Pay particular attention to any post from "promotr", a long time rebuilder of EnFo gearboxes. -
Nice work William! I have one recommendation for making it more valuable - add descriptions (and, ideally, pictures) of locations of the frame numbers across the manufacturers/series/dates. This question comes up here and on other forums from time-to-time and I think would benefit anyone attempting validate a car being sold. I fully understand John's position on sharing frame numbers, but general identification assistance would be valuable. Henry
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And the clutch matrix from the same resource... If you don't have a copy, it is worth getting - I think Dave Bean still offers copies. If not and you want one, I think I may have a 2nd copy somewhere.
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The Dave Bean catalogues also have a good bit of information. When I'm at the shop later this morning I'll see if I can grab a few pics from the English Racing Fords manual, my recollection is that it includes a detailed section on the various gearbox iterations.
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No, mine is a 1500 Cosworth. No idea if the one I replaced was original, but it very well could have been. From the history I have on the car, I'm pretty confident it wasn't replaced post early 80s. Here is a pic just out of the car.
