IamScotticus Posted Sunday at 02:14 AM Posted Sunday at 02:14 AM (edited) Looking for alternatives to the common 23/36, 38 DGAS. I can buy those new. Would like to find a new old stock 32DFM, or gently used take off, or "it was working when I removed it". Intended to use on a 1600 xflow Edited Sunday at 02:20 AM by IamScotticus
MV8 Posted Sunday at 11:11 AM Posted Sunday at 11:11 AM Many alternatives that could work well and no need to be locked into one choice as it is fairly easy to try different carbs: https://www.ebay.com/itm/146433290179?_skw=weber+32&itmmeta=01JQ16QQWBVF15XN6KNCE63B1Y&hash=item22181aafc3:g:O-kAAOSwC1pnyekT&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA0FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1c38loM35BjlYbYKhnEt6aUIlfvPCQnb%2FnED34I2mhpnhUwoiNiQNw0Kosf0zAs7Qb%2BsXLd1pgdMx9BrqZZiUU%2BFxJn9Qzoy9a5R%2F2JJYcimY9z9bs7CH80vxuZnvONg42MCxwRIcixn6%2FMmaMcCVrBHtyyMS9JfwjNEDrdlHji94x7Zr5Z9bj0Fcz5O4H3Jw8XHE%2B2qZrc4Shk%2Bf6V3DIze8SiGHNY9WpPjcM531nWHlRP3bGVfbyv4Ccd2qzgX1s%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8z-3qa4ZQ https://www.ebay.com/itm/155696545645?_skw=weber+32&itmmeta=01JQ18CHAAZRT52KCAD1HR15BB&hash=item24403cbf6d:g:mvwAAOSw671kyDCF&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAAwFkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1fYH8N3RxGpWlysDnhqgr77ZsMilvXVteV2TBMCfj4aXz1dYONh43mOkTxAtpwkUMNN4ZPS8uaft9oVpZBoJJ5qaqfavvl9dbNCTj65%2B0Pp8H%2BBe%2B1qX%2FNQAGp%2F9Mrf16s2AgAQwrdFHHMlAFBOoFG2Z8bnqn0ryRqHqOKYiZ1FlD7RaExWxYbQsLR0CBfKKVBMhs8OkPkm%2F1I4d9%2BcVepPWvKyxw7rc1%2FKIGoG9%2B5h2w%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7qVsqi4ZQ Vacuum secondary: https://www.ebay.com/itm/186687636673?_skw=weber+32&itmmeta=01JQ18CHACNQ2AYYSXNZC2MJW7&hash=item2b777344c1:g:qn8AAOSwuntm5zRp&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAAwFkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1cw5aGULwQ%2F1m8oXlTbUFd2aPN7bw9p1J8n5hb0K46hFuo44L8D1iD1ZDXJqPMciHUhMZwLMFbNf3nwXnqERSsvY%2B%2FUMMqQgbX6Er2qj3laWKBj%2BC836qPlP1uLtnTmHMom7G93w9mfzHCVzNPl1%2F4HkTWBSwe9d2Z1KswL0ocogtb9mUaJlCo2osZM%2BzuzOm6Id6TAGsIFDvrr9%2FTxYd5EVTqHT7cv1Z5Ke3j1OImX%2FA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8KVsqi4ZQ 26/34 vac secondary: https://www.ebay.com/itm/126145348242?_skw=weber+carb&itmmeta=01JQ1A583XHY6RMW5NG7S8GYBZ&hash=item1d5ed94292:g:QcIAAOSw4mNlMY4K&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAAwFkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1fJzn2Wdqb1TpMYeb6%2BWaIGuHkF6C0yubewBcTlLbvyiI26LObK18aIup9ZB5i8cRfXmIV8LQBlbYbmBLCky4YYRi%2FdgCmDb%2BlAo%2FL0ERWuPrgnYQi5yDiCfgwQMM2wp85URaNxnunbQJmlZG7B9C1ob%2FoTCCWGhmpnytIiiqiNct3xY5YZtZAlVs8bV5ysPJLWphREzCc%2FVmqV1bBGlg2Mu08QwA6ZxQpUeWS6mClS2Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5qClaq4ZQ 32DMSA: https://www.ebay.com/itm/115920080749?_skw=weber+32&itmmeta=01JQ19KYDN37SHH1ND0JVFCRMJ&hash=item1afd600f6d:g:oxUAAOSwSbllCPXz&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAAwFkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1ffhjTNXuW71q2uOyh5%2Fdtei7M%2FoETAgqsZJPhKFvWaCKQ96s%2BN9WbFxBexRbd9YAoTLHSFdfRgA9KHMxLsjZI8Ox33ivhH%2BObddjXtHueDmLxCl0d9NtNnwS2TmrhEO%2F9qVWPZEHlMPdLNNE%2Ba9QvhvbbKkoL4%2FGpjOlcua%2FptOYzhcNPlJASpUEi7hab939t%2Fm%2FQj2rt%2Bj4Od%2FPdjJDutAsPqk0Oi7xeDq%2FGxBqpY5A%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5Lnz6m4ZQ 32DGAV missing choke sys: https://www.ebay.com/itm/176912233830?_skw=weber+32&itmmeta=01JQ18CHAD30A1HCA9NT8RTH7E&hash=item2930ca7566:g:sHoAAOSwH0tnz5EA&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAAwFkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1dbGpGpw3VxJEWJXEIRPVWrJ%2BcznfxxCBquwfBvNoVwDZnUF2QRv0yYoR5CcyACJ5MjOvBjr8IZ%2BBdRJvh0%2BhBweJPPrFAdQCF%2Fa9BhnzhHl0scMd9NXQsoNYZE7RUVGrGJaMKJbJUipfy%2BlS%2F3hXPbqyc6jmoVKDb6EOxi3ZH19UP%2B24Tt2QaxHf99ILkqC9YaR5IpF2vl5wOlCun7lIVdq7NL7yLYY86THID7HcMXCA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8aVsqi4ZQ Progressive 34/34 solex for early '70s BMW 2.0l: https://www.ebay.com/itm/124245437769?_skw=weber+32&epid=19046019328&itmmeta=01JQ192S14E73X0BT1XQGZCR1Q&hash=item1ced9aed49:g:UpwAAOSwaYVddAbw&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA0FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1ctQl18MNLnUgzwVwz1Xwmr3brZf4lpjlmv6hytCirhkCyreWrho0NSBgXF2Na4quiegYZMlceQeDvOnnB%2FLCzMVHiVn10%2B0cs2Tf4lqu0kj%2BzILRIGbUzl%2BD8V7b454Xw%2BclfmoUpbhNnPMiSAZW62GDVPvjPQjYIqzz2LGJ7XNI5PxYkpF6%2BzP481e7Uu4t92kqypQfH%2BXh5Dca3IdClDOudT7d7cF1AKmBYlZ8EeKf5l4kypimk%2FsP5bfWWOS18%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_CQi6m4ZQ Could also limit total secondary opening on a 32/36. Also, the Holley 2305 is a very good progressive using mostly standard holley parts but very hard to find now. The differences are in the metering block and base plate/linkage opposite the bowl side.
IamScotticus Posted Monday at 03:01 AM Author Posted Monday at 03:01 AM Wonder why Holly even bothered with the small carbs?
EdWills Posted Monday at 08:02 PM Posted Monday at 08:02 PM (edited) Hi Scott. You may have checked already, but on Amazon there is 'Weber Redline' (U.S.), listing a new 32/36 DFEV carb, or try Pierce Manifolds U.S. for the same type. The DFEV is the opposite throttle orientation to the DGV series of downdraught carbs, but is in the same orientation as the 32DFM that Ford and Lotus used on the 1600 Crossflow engine. The 'E' is of course electric choke, but a couple of sites on the web offer a fairly cheap conversion for manual choke operation. Lotus and Ford used a manual choke to operate the 32DFM (which was cast for manual operation). I purchased a kit on th' e bay' (Chinese manufacture, free postage, came out of Eastern Canada - go figure - must have a rep there!), and I can advise which is the correct kit to order (actually for a 38/38 Fiat Weber carb if memory serves as it is the same orientation as the DFV, but I will check). Do not go for the DGV manual choke kit (as I originally did - as one site noted it was o.k. for a DFEV - not), as it works the wrong way for the DFV choke cable set-up to operate the choke correctly. I beefed up the Chinese choke control (try saying that fast a few times), with a brass bush which I can send you gratis as I have a few. It makes the choke operate more smoothly and takes out the minor slack in the mechanism. You can carefully take the electric mechanism off (Peter Wallage shows how in his 'Ford's Kent Crossflow Engine' book, or I can photocopy and send the pics to you (with Credit to Peter and Valerie Wallage and Haynes Publications). I did purchase a couple of spare lock tabs for the carb from Pegasus, as the flimsy one on the carb may break when removing it. The Weber throttle lever may have to be removed as Lotus used a lever from their Type 51 Formula Ford car for the throttle (along with a pre-formed Lotus 51 alloy bracket). Ivey Engines (or Pegasus, or any FF tuner) can tune these carbs to your choice of tune. Note: I wish we had an Ivey type of machine shop in my location, but they have all retired - which is good for them, not so good for me! W Edited Monday at 08:14 PM by EdWills
MV8 Posted Monday at 08:55 PM Posted Monday at 08:55 PM 17 hours ago, IamScotticus said: Wonder why Holly even bothered with the small carbs? I'm confused by the question. They have one, two, three, and four barrel carbs that were often oem (since the '30s) and designed to replace other oems. The 5200 is another relatively small carb that was often used on big fours and called the "holley-weber".
EdWills Posted Monday at 11:06 PM Posted Monday at 11:06 PM Hi Scott and MV8. According to the Jake Lamont/Tom Andresen book on how to build and maintain a competitive (yet legal) Formula Ford engine, (page 75 in your song sheet Scott), the FF rules in the U.S. allowed the Holley 5200 to be used in place of the 32/36 DGV. The Holley 5200 was 'basically a licensed copy of the Weber unit'. As you probably know, the Weber carbs are mostly manufactured in Spain these days. Not sure if Ferrari owners still insist on the originals from Italy though? W.
IamScotticus Posted yesterday at 12:14 AM Author Posted yesterday at 12:14 AM I suppose there isn't enough market for the small carbs for Holley to stay in the game.
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