class warfare?

[MoPho]

You wanna have a discussion on class warfare after the zimmerman trial and race baiter in chief's comments? :lol:

 

I don't think we should be having a discussion about any of this stuff, it's too small a community, but since people keep bringing it [politics. etc] up and you even made a special section for it......

 

Race baiter in chief? Really dude?

 

No, I am questioning why you are trying to change the subject?

 

And Zimmerman is another example of why allowing people to carry in public is not a good idea.

 

 

 

 

We just have a different view of role of government Morgan. I have no expectation of privacy only because I know the government no longer honors the constitution.

 

Hyperbole much? Does it say in the constitution that we have the right to fly on airplanes? Oh right, they didn't have airplanes back then....Or automatic weapons, or the internet, or cell phones, or cars, or TV's or satellites, etc.....

It's unrealistic to think that the Constitution should be strictly adhered to without adaptation to the vastly changed world we currently live in.

 

And of course another 200+ years from now, many of the constitutional challenges we face now will be replaced by new challenges brought on by the technologies of their world

 

 

 

... and still waiting for the answer to my question:

 

how come the government does not value citizen rights enough to have such a process? it's been 12 years since 9/11! Is that sufficient time for the government to come up with such a process? Seriously, rationalize this.

 

It's a good question, and I don't have an answer, but the example you posted to show that you aren't "over-reacting" just proves that you are over-reacting

 

 

And btw, most no-fly list issues occur because someones name matches one that is on the list, not because they are on the list. With proper ID it can usually be cleared up. And there are ways to get your name off the list, it just isn't easy. Should it be easy? http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sad/533.gif

 

 

 

 

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Edited August 2, 2013 by MoPho

[MoPho]

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/08/pressure-cooker/

 

A Long Island journalist set the internet aflame today by claiming that Joint Terrorism Task Force agents visited her house to find out why Google searches for “pressure cooker” and “backpack” were run from the family’s internet connection.

 

“Little did we know our seemingly innocent, if curious to a fault, Googling of certain things was creating a perfect storm of terrorism profiling,” wrote Michele Catalano, in a widely-circulated post to Medium.com. “Because somewhere out there, someone was watching. Someone whose job it is to piece together the things people do on the internet raised the red flag when they saw our search history.”

 

Though Catalano declined all interview requests from reporters, and omitted key details from her story, news outlets pounced on the tale, speculating variously that NSA monitoring might have made Catalano a target, or that Google might be providing the feds with a feed of everyone who searches on suspicious terms.

 

“Yes, The FBI Is Tracking American Google Searches,” read Gizmodo’s headline, one of many blowing up the story.

 

But the local police department that actually visited Catalano’s husband finally explained themselves, and it turns out the story is more about a dispute with the husband’s former employer than rampant secret police surveillance. Here’s the statement from the Suffolk County Police Department:

 

Suffolk County Criminal Intelligence Detectives received a tip from a Bay Shore based computer company regarding suspicious computer searches conducted by a recently released employee. The former employee’s computer searches took place on this employee’s workplace computer. On that computer, the employee searched the terms ‘pressure cooker bombs’ and ‘backpacks.’

 

After interviewing the company representatives, Suffolk County Police Detectives visited the subject’s home to ask about the suspicious internet searches. The incident was investigated by Suffolk County Police Department’s Criminal Intelligence Detectives and was determined to be non-criminal in nature.

 

Catalano did not respond to repeated inquiries via e-mail and Twitter for this story, and her husband did not respond to a message sent through LinkedIn. But Catalano’s Twitter timeline indicates that her husband lost his job in May.

 

At a time where we’re treated almost daily to new revelations about covert government surveillance, it’s easy to see why this story found traction. But bogus claims of secret data mining and “profiling” detract from the real news. So please let’s stop.

 

 

 

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[slngsht]

Does it say in the constitution that we have the right to fly on airplanes? Oh right, they didn't have airplanes back then....Or automatic weapons, or the internet, or cell phones, or cars, or TV's or satellites, etc.....

It's unrealistic to think that the Constitution should be strictly adhered to without adaptation to the vastly changed world we currently live in.

 

And of course another 200+ years from now, many of the constitutional challenges we face now will be replaced by new challenges brought on by the technologies of their world

 

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That's why there is a process to amend it. Not ignore it or work around it. Get the states to ratify a new amendment that nullifies or limits the 2nd or 4th amendments. I'm up for that.

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Race baiter in chief? Really dude?

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There was no evidence to suggest race had anything to do with what happened. Except of course what was produced by NBC by creative editing (do you know the incident I'm talking about?).

 

Obama and Holder were all over the race angle on this though. No?

[slngsht]

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/08/pressure-cooker/

 

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Your point on the specific story may be believable. But when one executive branch official after another gets before congress and just flat out lies about surveillance, IRS, impact of sequestration, etc..., there is no credibility.

 

I can post a few examples for you if you don't know specifics of what I'm talking about. These are not news stories. Actual testimony before congress.

[MoPho]

That's why there is a process to amend it. Not ignore it or work around it. Get the states to ratify a new amendment that nullifies or limits the 2nd or 4th amendments. I'm up for that.

 

Nothing will ever happen as long as there continues to be a polarized two party system that won't compromise on anything

 

There was no evidence to suggest race had anything to do with what happened. Except of course what was produced by NBC by creative editing (do you know the incident I'm talking about?).

 

Obama and Holder were all over the race angle on this though. No?

 

 

There may be no evidence to suggest that Zimmermans motive was race related, but don't think for a second that the black community didn't see it that way. Obama didn't "bait" it into a race issue, he addressed the issue AFTER it had already became about race. Seems you are doing some "creative editing" of your own.

 

What is fact is that Zimmerman was emboldened by his gun possession and decided to take matters into his own hands even after he was told not to.

 

 

Your point on the specific story may be believable. But when one executive branch official after another gets before congress and just flat out lies about surveillance, IRS, impact of sequestration, etc..., there is no credibility.

 

I can post a few examples for you if you don't know specifics of what I'm talking about. These are not news stories. Actual testimony before congress.

 

Whoa! A politician lied, tens shocked!

Lack of credibility can be attributed to both the dems and the pubs.

 

As I said, I am not surprised, nor do I care.

 

 

 

 

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[Kitcat]

At this point, changing the Constituiton via amendment is a theoretical option at best.

 

The reality is the Constituition also appointed the Supreme Court to "interpret" what the Constitution means. And, over the last 200+ years, the Court has proven that it is willing to ''amend'' the Constitution by varying degrees, mostly small, but sometimes enormous, just to keep things rolling. In other words, it is a practical alternative to the formal, and totally impractical, amendment process. Which is why it makes a huge difference if a majority of the Court's members have a liberal or, (as now) a mostly conservative bent.

 

And, in spite of what they like to say, the conservative element of the Court is just as result-driven as the liberal members. Remember Bush v. Gore? As you know, the conservatives' public stand is against federal intrusion into the purview of states rights-no more power grabs by Big Brother in DC, etc. Except it turns out, when it suits the puroposes of the conservatives.

 

Hence, Forida's state election law was made superfulous by the Bigs in the Supreme Court who liked the idea of a federal power grab when it resulted in a Republican president. Goodbye states' rights, hello Supreme rule by 5 guys in robes.

 

Noy trying to revisit ancient history, just making the point that the Court consistenly does things that suits its purposes, regardless of its stated philosophy of judical restraint and the totally theoretical amendment option.

Edited August 3, 2013 by Kitcat

[slngsht]

Morgan, I know you don't care. At least we agree on that. Lol. Your (and general population's) apathy towards what politicians do is part of the problem. They can pretty much do anything (get BJs, run off with mistresses, hire prostitutes, run drugs, accept bribes, etc...), run for office again, and sheaple vote them in again (not a dem or pub specific problem). As for Trayvon, here's the problem. He opened a can of whoop-ass (his friend's words), but got more than he bargained for. Here's the thing... When you decide to bash someone else's head in, one possible outcome is that they can donate some bullets to the cause. Notice how there is no call from Trayvon to the police. He was too high I guess. Btw, here are three more of obama's sons in action for you. I'm sure sharpton, Jackson, Obama and holder are all gonna run down there shortly to discuss this. http://youtu.be/zie7PkZEB4Y

[MoPho]

Morgan, I know you don't care. At least we agree on that. Lol. Your (and general population's) apathy towards what politicians do is part of the problem. They can pretty much do anything (get BJs, run off with mistresses, hire prostitutes, run drugs, accept bribes, etc...), run for office again, and sheaple vote them in again (not a dem or pub specific problem).

 

Don't kid yourself, you are sheeple too.

 

Since when is a blowjob or a mistress my problem? I don't care what they do on their own time. Of course republicans like to legislate "family values" and "morals" so it is a bit hilarious when they do such things :rofl:

 

No, I don't care because beyond internet fodder, politics has little relevance on my life. I have bigger things to worry about that actually affect my life.

 

And like I said, I am more concerned about criminals stealing my identity than the government knowing who I called or what websites I go to. This kind of stuff has been going on long before Obama, so where was your outrage then?

 

Heck, spying on citizens has been going on since long before you or I were born

 

 

 

As for Trayvon, here's the problem. He opened a can of whoop-ass (his friend's words), but got more than he bargained for. Here's the thing... When you decide to bash someone else's head in, one possible outcome is that they can donate some bullets to the cause. Notice how there is no call from Trayvon to the police. He was too high I guess.

 

So you were there and know exactly how it went down, huh? :banghead:

 

YOU miss the point.

 

And BTW, I agree with the verdict, but there wouldn't have been a confrontation in the first place if Zimmerman didn't have a gun and take it upon himself to pursue Trayvon.

 

 

Btw, here are three more of obama's sons in action for you. I'm sure sharpton, Jackson, Obama and holder are all gonna run down there shortly to discuss this. http://youtu.be/zie7PkZEB4Y

 

 

There are plenty of videos of "your kids" fighting on the internet too. You really should stop posting, you're just coming across as a racist asshole.

 

 

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[slngsht]

Some more info... The parallels between these fine young adults and your boy Trayvon are striking. An investigation revealed one of the suspects had tried to sell drugs to the victim in a school bathroom. The victim notified officials at the school. Later that day, the suspects and victim rode the same school bus. To top it off, one of the thugs' fathers said "McKnight's father says the attack is not his son's normal behavior." LOL You know, skittles and water melon punch. Total victim man! On a serious note, how many opportunities has Obama taken to highlight positive race relations? Or positive interactions between private capital and labor? Everything he does is divisive.

[slngsht]

Mike, that is just as bad, on both sides. Overall it has become acceptable to bend the rules in the checks and balances that served the country so well. Not a pretty picture.

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Morgan, your arguments always end up with name calling. Not to worry, I have more class than that. :-)

[MoPho]

If the shoe fits....

 

 

If you had class, you wouldn't be making such hateful and ignorant posts

 

 

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Edited August 4, 2013 by MoPho

[slngsht]

Discussing anything with you is a waste of time. You might feel the same. I'm totally fine with that. Note AGAIN I'm trying to end the discussion in a civil way.

[MoPho]

Well Mazda, you didn't discuss anything! All you did was change the subject, avoid addressing my points or answering any of the questions I put fourth to you so it was pretty frustrating.

If you don't like this kind of discussion, then don't allow politics, religion, or controversy on the forum. I've told you repeated before that this community is too small and this kind of discussion does nothing but create disdain for one another.

 

 

 

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[WestTexasS2K]

If you do any research at all it is widely reported that Trayvon was a consunmer of "Lean, Purple Drank or Sizzurp" Its a popular drink in the hip hop world. It is what has put Lil Wayne in the hospital several times the last few years. One way to make Lean is with Watermelon fruit punch made by Arizona Ice Tea or Sprite. Skittles or Jolly Rancher mixed with Robitusin or Rx cough medicines. His face book page had refrences to this concoction since 2011. One of the side effects of prolonged use of Sizzurp is aggressive behavior and paranoia. Much like a long term meth user.

His social media sites also had several refrences of him going up to people and punching them for no reason. He bragged about the best way to start a fight is to walk up to someone and punch them on the nose. So If you look at his past history I dont have to reach to hard to come to the conclusion that he got ahead of Zimmerman and suprised him with a punch to the nose like he had bragged about before. He just didnt plan on his opponent having a gun.

 

Does the use of any type of drug justify the killing? Certainly not, but I dont think he was this sweet little innocent kid that was portrayed to the public. He was 3 inches taller and within 20lbs of Zimmerman and had MMA fighting experience. He may have felt embolden by his fighting experience and thought to himself I will teach this "crazy ass Cracker" not to follow me.

 

If Travyon was worried about someone following him why didnt he call the police and say. Hey I got a strange guy following me? He was less than 100 yards from his fathers girlfriends townhouse. Why didnt he just run home. He could have been there in less than 13 sec.

 

More info on Trayvons past if you care to see his character.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/05/01/m-dspd-cover-up-the-curious-case-of-trayvon-martins-backpack-with-stolen-jewelry-and-burglary-tool/

 

152 pages of his tweets

http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/86809463#fullscreen

 

It appeared to me to be a case of self defense IMO. I'm sure none of this will change anyones minds on the situtation. Everyone has the side they feel is right, but I think a large part of the story has been covered up to stir the pot by the media.

 

Everyone loses in the end.

[MoPho]

What Trayvon previously did or was on, or what some other kids on a school bus did, doesn't change the fact that Zimmerman was told to stay in his car and let the police handle it. He decided to take matters into his own hands because he had a gun and was confident, there should never had been a confrontation between them in the first place!

 

What actually transpired that caused him to fire the gun, we'll never know since the only other witness is dead

 

If Travyon was worried about someone following him why didnt he call the police

 

You expect a black kid to call the cops?! Yeah right! Black people tend not to trust the police, and often for good reason.

 

For example, I have a black friend in his 50s who is an account executive at an ad agency and makes really good money, dresses nice, etc and he still gets harassed. One time he got pulled out of his Lotus at gunpoint because the cops assumed he had stolen it.

 

 

 

but I think a large part of the story has been covered up to stir the pot by the media.

 

 

Right, because those conservative "news sources" you provide aren't trying to stir the pot or anything :rofl:

 

 

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[sdca7]

I don't have that strong of an opinion about guns, but it is a bit frightening to see all the inexperienced new gun owners out there! I grew up hunting, and was taught to be extremely careful with them. I would have lost my privilege to have a gun, not by the government, but by my Dad, if I ever mishandled a firearm. I was with a friend recently that was proudly showing off his new gun, unaware that he was flagging everyone in sight. Even when I pointed it out he didn't seem to quite get it. Not saying we don't have the right to have guns, just saying there are a lot of unsafe new gun owners out there!

[slngsht]

Morgan, list the questions I did not answer. I didn't contest your explanation for that NY pressure cooker story. What else? It's funny that libs have totally made the Zimmerman case about race. If I expect a black person to act like everyone else, I'm racist. You laugh at the notion that a black person is able to call the police, and that's not racist. Regarding the media, they gave full coverage to this case, ignoring hundreds of other murders of black kids - there is no race angle on those to divide us. NBC totally edited the 911 tape to make it appear Zimmerman targeted a black kid. All the early pics in the media were from Trayvon when he was a little kid. You think these are innocent mistakes? Try answering without calling me names. And list your points that I didn't answer. If I changed the subject, let me know what I was supposed to talk about :-)

[rikker]

Morgan, list the questions I did not answer. I didn't contest your explanation for that NY pressure cooker story. What else? It's funny that libs have totally made the Zimmerman case about race. If I expect a black person to act like everyone else, I'm racist. You laugh at the notion that a black person is able to call the police, and that's not racist. Regarding the media, they gave full coverage to this case, ignoring hundreds of other murders of black kids - there is no race angle on those to divide us. NBC totally edited the 911 tape to make it appear Zimmerman targeted a black kid. All the early pics in the media were from Trayvon when he was a little kid. You think these are innocent mistakes? Try answering without calling me names. And list your points that I didn't answer. If I changed the subject, let me know what I was supposed to talk about :-)

 

Mr Shlinge,

What do Mopho's "BJ.s and mistresses" have to do with anything and that was what you brought up!..and are either readily available with a club discount?

I do not see where he called you names at all, ( and God Bless him, he has to have the patience of a Saint not to).