BusaNostra Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Westfield users, what is best alignment for Westfield. Front & rear Toe & Front & rear caster. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCh Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Here is a chart I put together. The first 5 rows are factory recommendations for the various models. The last three rows are recommendations I have received from others who have experimented quite a bit. I am currently running the Fraser (street) settings which are a vast improvement over SEiW specs I had run before. Definitely heavy on the front camber, but I am not running ARBs and the tread wear isn’t that bad. BTW one thing I have discovered the hard way is that Westfields are very sensitive to rake. Make sure you measure that carefully. http://john15.web.officelive.com/Documents/alignmentspecs.jpg Cheers, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusaNostra Posted June 22, 2009 Author Share Posted June 22, 2009 Thanks John --- I'm not too successful using the sport 2000s. I will try my luck using SEWi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scannon Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 John, I don't see a spec for Caster in the chart. Does the Westfield have a caster adjustment or do you adjust the rest and live with whatever caster results from the other adjustments? Skip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCh Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Unfortunately caster is fixed unless you upgrade to rosejointed suspension arms. -John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusaNostra Posted June 22, 2009 Author Share Posted June 22, 2009 John---what do you think I should try? Currently I'm using the 2000S alignment specs: http://mjmturbos.com/images/s2kalignment.doc At standing start, the car will "violently" pull on one side at WOT. If I'm not careful, I will meet Mr. ditch. I have to correct it quickly or decrease the acelleration. I would like to try SEWi "toe in" instead of 2000s "Toe out" What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davemk1 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Out of curiosity what does the toe in/out number represent? 10 what? dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusaNostra Posted June 22, 2009 Author Share Posted June 22, 2009 Are you talking about 10 minutes? 60 minutes = 1 deg 10 minutes = 0.16666667 deg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCh Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 I’m not a suspension expert, but I’m not sure alignment is the cure for problems with standing start acceleration. I’ve never heard of anyone having the problem you describe and that includes people running insane amounts of power. Do you have an open or limited slip differential? Are your rear suspension bushings all in good shape? As for toe out vs. toe in up front, I find that a little bit of toe out helps with turn in and I don’t find it makes things objectionable at speed in a straight line. YMMV. “10 min Out” means 10 minutes toe out. -John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusaNostra Posted June 22, 2009 Author Share Posted June 22, 2009 (edited) Bushings are new, damper (protech) new, tire brand new (mickey thompson et street radial II). Yep! I added QUAIFE ATB this year. Edited June 22, 2009 by BusaNostra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slngsht Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 do you experience this only when there is wheel spin, or even if there is no wheel spin? the only way i have experienced what you describe is if I powershift from 1st to 2nd and completely blow away the tires. then the car will snap right. I have a TorSen diff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusaNostra Posted June 22, 2009 Author Share Posted June 22, 2009 yes when their is wheel spin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slngsht Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 I think what you're experiencing is not unusual. Here's a road racing vette trying to take off at the drag strip. Does this look exactly like what you experience? what's your rear suspension setup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusaNostra Posted June 22, 2009 Author Share Posted June 22, 2009 Y E S !!! JUST LIKE THAT. Darn i'm so scared everytime I hit it hard like that. At times, I try not to WOT, fear is always in my mind. The rear suspension is independent, diff is a quaife atb, the alignment is 20-30 minutes toe in Camber is 1/4 degree negative. Damper is Protech 5 clicks, spring is 180lbs, Tire is Mickey thompson street et radial II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davemk1 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 [font=Verdana “10 min Out” means 10 minutes toe out. -John Cool. thanks. That's not much is it? dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slngsht Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 how does the toe change with suspension travel? do you get some toe-out under compression? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusaNostra Posted June 22, 2009 Author Share Posted June 22, 2009 (edited) "Do I get a toe-out under compression?" Geeeee, We aligned the car stationary. We used the latest hi-tech computerized wheel aligner. I don't know if I'm getting the value tow-out you mentioned during the suspension travel. How can do that? Put a load on the car, run it and check the toe-out? Can I make the rear suspension soft? say 2 clicks? It's 5 clicks all the way. Edited June 22, 2009 by BusaNostra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slngsht Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 making it soft will help with weight transfer, so you can try that. That's why road racing cars are a little wild - like vid above - and drag cars just hook. you can measure the toe vs suspension travel with a bump steer gauge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusaNostra Posted June 22, 2009 Author Share Posted June 22, 2009 making it soft will help with weight transfer, so you can try that. That's why road racing cars are a little wild - like vid above - and drag cars just hook. you can measure the toe vs suspension travel with a bump steer gauge. Ok thank you, I will try to soften the ride and experiment. I guess that's the best I can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCh Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Can I make the rear suspension soft? say 2 clicks? It's 5 clicks all the way. I'm pretty sure the Protechs have a 10 or 13 click range. Definitely more than 5 though. If I am reading your post right and you are running the Protechs full hard, then definitely dial them back. I am running the rear either 2 or 4 clicks (can't remember which at the moment) softer than the fronts and the fronts are somewhere between 1/2 - 3/4 from full soft. Like you I am also running 180# springs out back. By any chance do you notice your car pulls to one side if you are at freeway speeds and lift off the throttle, and then pulls to the other side if you accelerate? I’m just wondering if part of the problem is worn suspension bushings. -John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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