BusaNostra Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 (edited) Hmmmmmm, the whole nation are in focus on Massachusetts senate seat election. Mass being blue-blue-blue-blue state, 4-to-1 in favor of democrats, Scott Brown (rep) is leading over Martha Coakley a democrat. I heard this will turn the healthcare back if Scott Brown (rep) wins. People pretty disgusted on the government. People are revolting. Very interesting race next week election. Obama is pretty scared, he is coming to Mass and rally for Martha. I think it's a wrong decision to come in Mass. People are mad with this dude. How can this guy Scott Brown possibly win? Edward Kennedy held that seat for almost 50 years. Edited January 15, 2010 by BusaNostra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondo Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 A lot of pissed off people during this "Great Recession". Doesn't help when everyone but those we bailed out on Wall St are suffering (and them throwing these bonuses in our face). If the Republicans had the seats in Congress that Democrats do, and the presidency, they would of held ranks and got things done quickly. Don't confuse that with me agreeing with what they would of done, it's just part of the frustration people are having with the democrats getting things done. With 24/7 news and cable shows, things are sensationalized to get ratings... causing more apprehension and fear. So basically people who are hurting, scared (and watching Fox) will look at who's in charge and blame them;rightly or wrongly. It is ironic that Senator Kennedy, who was the champion of Universal Health Care, dies and is replaced by a Republican who could be the one responsible for killing Health Care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slngsht Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 eh, when Bush came into office, there was a tie in the senate and pubs had a 10 seat majority in the house. 9/11 hadn't happened yet. I had high hopes of true reform, like tax reform - none of it happened. gov got bigger than ever, etc... pub - dem. I have faith in neither anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDrye Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 The last straw was the tax exemption for unions on health care. I used my visa on Brown's site for 2 dead presidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjslutz Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Bob, I knew there was something I liked about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slngsht Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 How about that! some balance back in the legislative process... now let's see what happens in the next 2 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowss7 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Yeah, this should get interesting now. Did you hear Barney Franks latest? http://www.breitbart.tv/barney-frank-god-didnt-create-the-filibuster/ Don't underestimate slimey politicians. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athens7 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 If the Republicans had the seats in Congress that Democrats do, and the presidency, they would of held ranks and got things done quickly. IIRC, in 2006 the GOP had the white house and both houses of Congress. Bush tried to pass immigration reform, and the conservative wing of his own party scuttled the legislation over the amnesty issue. I am certainly not in favor of the "progressive" agenda being foisted upon us by the Democrats, but I was a disgusted Republican after seeing the '06-'08 Congress accomplish NOTHING of substance. For all the talk by politicians of bipartisanship (the best way to accomplish any meaningful change IMO), in today's political world, it seems any politician who even tentatively reaches across the aisle is accused of treason by their contemporaries. Our parties seem more concerned with scoring rhetorical points and preventing any successes by the opposition than they do addressing any of the serious issues that face our country. No one has a direct line to The Answers, regardless of party label. Maybe a little compromising, and acknowledging that almost everyone has something valid to contribute to a good solution...? :rant: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slomove Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I am definitely leaning more to a "progressive" agenda but I totally agree with Athens7. The political system is broken and both parties are more interested making the other unsuccessful no matter what the cost to the people. It is much easier (and the system supports it) to destroy others' efforts than to shine with own ideas. But I have little hope this will be fixed or even improved anytime soon. The daily deluge of spinformation and the corrupt money-buys-power culture makes this self-sustaining. So I guess we have to muddle through. That's O.K., could be worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceBowker Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 both parties are more interested making the other unsuccessful no matter what the cost to the people. My exact thoughts. If the voters, by a majority, bring in someone then it seems all should try to work with what a majority wish. within reason. Instead the other party spends all its time trying to throw them out. And we start all over again. Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHKflyer52 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Some very good points have been brought up here and I do agree with most of them but I also just think that the American Public is just starting to wake up to the fact that the FAT CATS in Washington are not doing their jobs as they have said that they would do. So people are now realizing that they can make a difference by voting for a change even if they really do not know what that change will bring in the long term, so I think it is a good wake-up call to all politicians of all parties and their agendas. The Mid-term elections should be entertaining and Eye Opening I hope.:flag: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slngsht Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 My exact thoughts. If the voters, by a majority, bring in someone then it seems all should try to work with what a majority wish. within reason. Instead the other party spends all its time trying to throw them out. And we start all over again. Bruce Bruce, the problem is the "within reason" part. The way it works in real life is neither party can dominate on its own... so they both go after the independents by whatever means (primarily making the other guy look bad). Problem is, as soon as one party (I don't care which) becomes dominant, all the moderation goes out the door - they see it as a free pass to go through their Christmas list. That's what's happening with the Dems right now. Fortunately, it's self correcting. I was listening to NPR the other day, and some special interest group rep was on there yapping about lowering cost of healthcare. They were lobbying for lower the cost to low income families - surely a noble cause - but NOT ONCE did she mention even ONE way to actually lower any costs - the entire speech was for lowering the "cost" to her special interest - i.e. make someone else pay for it. That's the kind of crap that infuriates me - they're not trying to solve the problem. Just ram social agenda (dem or pub) down my throat. I guarantee you nobody will disagree with these 2 items: 1- Allow individuals to buy insurance at the same terms as businesses (through an exchange or whatever) 2- Remove pre-existing conditions limitations. Do NOTHING else, but pass those 2 laws. Let the market work out the rest. I'm certain if you limit it to those 2 issues, there will be a bi-partisan bill. These won't reduce cost of healthcare, but remove 2 huge obstacles for small businesses and the self employed - supposedly a substantial part of our economic engine. As for ACTUAL cost reductions, I'm not sure there is any proposal that does anything useful... it's all pitting insurance against hospital against doctors against patients... zero sum game. We need alot of pilots by different states to come up with something that's good and follow that I guess. Apparently the Mass solution wasn't that great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowss7 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 MAZDA for PRESIDENT!!!! (or what ever office.) :flag::flag::flag: Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondo Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I guess with today's technology it makes it hard for politicians to do what they've always done when it comes to padding their war chest. We've gotten to see more of a "what's in it for me" rather than compromising for the greater good. It's kind of nice to see that a lot more people see politicians of both parties being self-serving. And I do think it can get worse... if Washington's Republicans follow California's example of setting rigid limits on what they will vote for things will continue to decline. California is really in trouble. I think our primary election process is part of the problem as we get candidates trying to please their base in the primaries and we end up with a choice of far left or far right. Then, after winning, they go to Sacramento and naturally butt heads. And for fear of not getting re-elected, no one compromises. We get to vote on open-primaries this year and I hope people realize this is in all of our bests interest. Also, voting to take control of mapping out political districts away from State Congress will hopefully pass too. My 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusaNostra Posted January 20, 2010 Author Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) My gripes & issues are: back door deals, gazillion spending, stimulus shzte that don't work, ramming the healthcare in my throat, too much government intervention and my 3 neighbors who are out work looking for jobs since July. Enough of these bullcraps! Too much spyware in the system. I never thought the people in Massachussets capable of rebooting the system....I thank you for them. Obama said---"anybody can buy a truck" fine, but don't fvck around or stay away with my seven. Scott Brown is wake up call --- It's trial and balance! I have No party affiliation. Edited January 20, 2010 by BusaNostra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDrye Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Brown wins Ted's seat and O blames it on Bush. Check out this link for the real reason! LOL YouTube - Hitler Finds Out Scott Brown Won Massachusetts Senate Seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjslutz Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Bob, You are twisted, but we put our money where our mouths are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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