BusaNostra Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) Well, as I said above...between tobacco and alcohol there are million families suffered already....why add more? so, you smoke ? Do you think it's good for you & the society? Edited December 12, 2012 by BusaNostra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoPho Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Well, as I said above...between tobacco and alcohol there are million families suffered already....why add more? so, you smoke ? Do you think it's good for you & the society? Why not take tobacco and alcohol away then? Where was your outrage before? I haven't smoked in many years (and only drink an occasional beer), but I don't think making it legal is bad for society, in fact I think it is good for society as it can be taxed, and by decriminalizing it huge amounts of money will be saved by not wasting time pursuing, going to trial and incarcerating people for such a benign drug. Alcohol is a far greater menace to society ( people don't get stoned and beat up their families, or get into fist fights at bars, drive out of control at high rates of speed etc...) Additionally, marijuana has great medicinal benefits for people with cancer. Of course you can point to people who abuse it and perhaps ruin their lives, but the same can be said of alcohol, prescription drugs, glue, etc. so it is hypocritical to suggest that marijuana should illegal and not these others And I know people who still smoke and run successful businesses, in fact one guy I know is a millionaire. Just like alcohol, there is nothing wrong with using it in moderation . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHKflyer52 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I have been following this thread and have to agree with MoPho in his last post (#22) and especially with this line "Just like alcohol, there is nothing wrong with using it in moderation." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky dawg Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Of course, I'm not sure how much 7s really add to society. But they make us feel good and don't seem to hurt anyone else. Glad they are still legal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusaNostra Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) Hamrless? I heard that from the tobacco too... Well, nice to hear other opinions but for me, its another menu to add to the killing fields. Edited December 12, 2012 by BusaNostra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwagon Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 My take; cannot understand anyone using anything that changes normal state. ( this from a former smoker, drinker, and adrenalin junkie). freedom as defined by me is; we are free to do as we choose as long as in the exercise of that freedom we do not infringe on the freedoms of others. It is a slippery slope for drug users including alcohol but if used in private and not effecting others their actions pose no threat to others freedoms. However this just does not happen and while pot is the least harmful drug it still effects all of us if only by the fact that "stupid" is less productive and drags down our standard of living. We should wait until we clean up our own house before going after the "pot heads"-- " let he who is with out sin cast the first stone" and then lets cast it in the most needed direction. If we all eliminated one meth supplier or cooker it would do a world of good for the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobone Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 +1 for MoPho's comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayseven Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I always find the argument that "alcohol has caused problems, therefore pot is good" a bit thin. What adults do with what they grow themselves, I have no problems with. I do get a bit concerned when SkinnyG's clientele go downhill at a very young age. Argue all you want, but I have never heard of anybody who has ruined their life, who did NOT start with booze and pot abuse first. And we all have family members or friends who have been affected negatively by this, whether we know it or not. I don't know what the answer is, but I've lived beside hard drug addicts (neighbours), and it is no fun (massive understatement). One actually had a nice Cobra replica. Talk about giving cars like ours a bad name! But you have to admit, that the legal systems in the western world, can benefit from a bit of slack, and going after adults who possess pot for their own use, is not that productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoPho Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I always find the argument that "alcohol has caused problems, therefore pot is good" a bit thin. Except that is not the argument. The point is if you are against the legalization of marijuana but are fine with alcohol being legal your position is hypocritical and/or based on ignorance Argue all you want, but I have never heard of anybody who has ruined their life, who did NOT start with booze and pot abuse first. Not true, many people ruin their lives abusing prescription drugs or hard drugs and have never used marijuana or alcohol. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondo Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) While no one here as said this, I find it funny that when something bad happens the same person will say "it's not the gun it's the person" and "it's the drugs not the person". My belief is that it's the person on both. If you want to shoot someone or have the personality that craves an altered state of mind, you'll find a way... regardless of the law against it. So I'm pretty open on owning guns (not magazines). Though I do think a backround check for all guns should be mandatory no matter where you buy it and I wouldn't decriminalize crack, heroin etc.. Guess I'm not a total libertarian. Edited December 14, 2012 by Mondo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikker Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Except that is not the argument. The point is if you are against the legalization of marijuana but are fine with alcohol being legal your position is hypocritical and/or based on ignorance Not true, many people ruin their lives abusing prescription drugs or hard drugs and have never used marijuana or alcohol. . Well put Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusaNostra Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) Well put? As far as I know, Marijuana, or cannabis, remains classified under the Controlled Substances Act as a Schedule I "NARCOTIC" whose cultivation, distribution, possession and use are criminal acts (UNDER FEDERAL LAW). It's in the same category as heroin, LSD and "Ecstasy," all deemed to have high potential for abuse. Edited December 14, 2012 by BusaNostra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoPho Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Well put? As far as I know, Marijuana, or cannabis, remains classified under the Controlled Substances Act as a Schedule I "NARCOTIC" whose cultivation, distribution, possession and use are criminal acts (UNDER FEDERAL LAW). It's in the same category as heroin, LSD and "Ecstasy," all deemed to have high potential for abuse. Like I said, the position is hypocritical and/or based on ignorance And at one time in our history, alcohol was also criminalized and deemed to have a high potential for abuse . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayseven Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 So some research as to why alcohol was prohibited. It is too late for that now, but not too late for other things, like pot. I only bring this up because you seem unable to get off this train of "alcohol is bad, therefore we have to allow pot" argument, that is a false one from every angle. You know, hemlock is also natural, and is poisonous to humans, so not everything in nature is good for us. I like life as it is, myself, and prefer my wits about me - he said, sanctimoniously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoPho Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 (edited) So some research as to why alcohol was prohibited. It is too late for that now, but not too late for other things, like pot. I only bring this up because you seem unable to get off this train of "alcohol is bad, therefore we have to allow pot" argument, that is a false one from every angle. You know, hemlock is also natural, and is poisonous to humans, so not everything in nature is good for us. I like life as it is, myself, and prefer my wits about me - he said, sanctimoniously. AGAIN, that is not what I am saying. If YOU think pot should be banned, that is fine, but then you should also be advocating that alcohol be banned too as it does the same kind (worse actually) of damage to society that anti-pot advocates claim marijuana does. If YOU believe that pot is more dangerous/addictive/etc than alcohol and that is why it should be banned but not alcohol, that is based on ignorance. PERIOD I like life as it is, myself, and prefer my wits about me - he said, sanctimoniously. As do I, that is why I don't smoke, drink, and even avoid prescription drugs when I can, but I am not "sanctimonious" about it . Edited December 15, 2012 by MoPho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikker Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 I would like to share a personal experience with my closest friends about drinking and driving........ As you well know, some of us have been known to have had brushes with the authorities on our way home from an occasional social session over the years. A couple of nights ago, I was out for an evening with friends and had a couple of cocktails and some rather nice red wine. Knowing full well I may have been slightly over the limit, I did something I've never done before ~ I took a cab home. Sure enough, I passed a police road block but, since it was a cab, they waved it past. I arrived home safely without incident, which was a real surprise; as I have never driven a cab before and am not sure where I got it or what to do with it now that it's in my garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scannon Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 You know, hemlock is also natural, and is poisonous to humans, so not everything in nature is good for us. Even hemlock has its medicinal uses: From Web MD Despite serious safety concerns, hemlock leaves, root, and seeds are used to make medicine. It is used for breathing problems including bronchitis, whooping cough, and asthma; and for painful conditions including teething in children, swollen and painful joints, and cramps. Hemlock is also used for anxiety and mania. Other uses include treatment of spasms tumors, skin infections, epilepsy, Parkinson’s disease, Sydenham’s chorea, and bladder infections. Hemlock has also been used to reverse strychnine poisoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinnyG Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 It's not the substances, it's the people. I think we should just ban people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayseven Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Yeah, but then you get prisons overcrowding and all that. Or you just charge by the night, as they do some places, and you get money, AND people off the street. Wait a minute... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikker Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) as we got from Pot to Booze to Guns, I thought I would add the only other item on the list that Yanks want to moan about...Abortion rights. Oh, Oh sorry..I forgot Socialized Health Care, there you go.. Now like the magicians audience all look at the list above and the flock of white doves out of my sleeves while the thieves pick your pockets. Note to self: I should not be surprised that group of specialty car owners are predominantly conservative, comfortably well off ,white american, mature,middle to ancient aged, inflexible men . Edited January 28, 2013 by rikker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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