class warfare?

[slngsht]

Slngsht come on to Texas. Low unemployment stable economy and no state income tax. Bring your guns and ammo. You will be welcome here with all of us other "backward, unsifistcated folk.

 

I was there last week. Visited Houston, San Antonio and Austin. Went a little north of Austin, to Georgetown. Liked that area.

 

Alas, Texas is too far from family. I like the hill country though.

 

Next stop will be Charleston, SC...

[WestTexasS2K]

That can be an issue when you have extended family close to home. The Carolinas are nice its a good choice.

[rikker]

Slngsht come on to Texas. Low unemployment stable economy and no state income tax. Bring your guns and ammo. You will be welcome here with all of us other "backward, unsifistcated folk.

 

Maybe you should let the Texas Tourist Board know about that for use as a slogan.I think the only time I might ask for the use of a gun was if I had to spend my life in TX.

[rikker]

I home school one kid and took school system to court last year.

 

Maryland is infringing on my 2nd amendment rights, so I will move out of this state and take my tax dollars with me.

 

Do those count?

 

Everybody has some cause that gets them worked up.

 

You're right that discussing it on a forum doesn't change anything. It's more for discussion than change.

 

Are you really re-locating your family to another state because you have no faith in the education system in Maryland ? Are both the public and private school choices there that bad?

Are you going to use the public education system in Carolina?

When you chose to home school were you at all worried about the lack of peers..I know it is a safe and secure environment and all at home, but do you not think that there are more advantages to a child being taught by an education professional in a class of kids of the same age ?

PS

I was thinking, was your home-school decision arrived at because of one particular issue like bullying, etc or more a dissatisfaction with it all?

Do you teach the same stuff as state, does it not affect your work schedule?

 

With regard to your comment " Everybody has some cause that gets them worked up." I agree, but as I said it is for the most when it affects the ideals of the individual and not what is always for the common good.

Edited April 7, 2013 by rikker

[slngsht]

Are you really re-locating your family to another state because you have no faith in the education system in Maryland ? Are both the public and private school choices there that bad?

Are you going to use the public education system in Carolina?

When you chose to home school were you at all worried about the lack of peers..I know it is a safe and secure environment and all at home, but do you not think that there are more advantages to a child being taught by an education professional in a class of kids of the same age ?

PS

I was thinking, was your home-school decision arrived at because of one particular issue like bullying, etc or more a dissatisfaction with it all?

Do you teach the same stuff as state, does it not affect your work schedule?

 

With regard to your comment " Everybody has some cause that gets them worked up." I agree, but as I said it is for the most when it affects the ideals of the individual and not what is always for the common good.

 

Homeschooling decision was over a dispute with the school system over least restrictive environment for autism.

 

We use the K12.com curriculum and I have to tell you it's much better organized and logical than what my other son gets from school. Lack of peers is a problem, and we will try public education again if things work out, but I don't feel powerless when I see what they decide to do isn't right. My wife and I both work with him as needed, and yes, she's home during the day (works as a therapist at the hospital part time).

 

Maryland is supposedly the top ranked state as far as education. We're in the top ranked county in Maryland, and the best school in this county. But I gotta tell you when I compare what my son is learning in school now, compared to when I got my education in a 3rd world country, we're FAR behind here.

 

Having said all that, the quality of the education you receive is largely dependent on the effort students and families put in. This is the real problem with our education system.

 

I don't want to type as essay about all the things wrong with what's going on in the school system, taxes, etc... in Maryland. Many people like it here, some don't. I'm ready for a more conservative state.

[slngsht]

Maybe you should let the Texas Tourist Board know about that for use as a slogan.I think the only time I might ask for the use of a gun was if I had to spend my life in TX.

I love it! "Bring your guns and ammo"!

 

Rikker, Texas and South Carolina are two of the states that are actively recruiting gun manufacturers like Magpul (Colorado), Berretta (Maryland), Colt (Connecticut) to move to their states. So, there's some truth to that.

 

I'm willing to bet if a thug with a tire iron was in your house and someone was there to hand you a gun, you may reconsider. But I understand if you don't based on your beliefs. Nobody is forcing you to use one.

[powderbrake]

Having said all that, the quality of the education you receive is largely dependent on the effort students and families put in. This is the real problem with our education system.

 

Amen to that. Parents MUST be actively involved with their kids education to insure their children's success.

[rikker]

I love it! "Bring your guns and ammo"!

 

Rikker, Texas and South Carolina are two of the states that are actively recruiting gun manufacturers like Magpul (Colorado), Berretta (Maryland), Colt (Connecticut) to move to their states. So, there's some truth to that.

 

I'm willing to bet if a thug with a tire iron was in your house and someone was there to hand you a gun, you may reconsider. But I understand if you don't based on your beliefs. Nobody is forcing you to use one.

 

I know I am not being forced to own a gun but that really is not the issue is it.

However I am affected by the quantity of guns and who owns them.Do you really think more guns are the answer?

Your fantasy scenario of saving my family with a gun against a home invader rarely happens does it, though it is good material for an NRA ad.

What I do see are thousands of innocents being massacred year after year by guns.I would never have a gun in the house, even more so with children around.

Why would anyone have a problem with universal background checks, banning the types of guns that are modeled on military designs for mass killing and restricting clip size.

How about having to pass a test and get a license to own a gun, how about owners having to have insurance on the weapon,how about pushing more research into guns that only fire for the owner.Why would anyone want to have a concealed weapons permit?

Just think about the amount of personal info that is pulled when you call to get a car insurance quote, not only your driving record but your credit rating too.Try getting a drivers licence in another state and hoping that old DUI has gone away. and so on.

As much as I hate it I understand that this is a gun culture country and the 2nd is like a scripture to many, but what is wrong with a shot gun for home defense, a hunting rifle for hunters and target rifles that are kept under lock and key at a gun club.

I know that you and many others feel strongly about this but really, we do have to start somewhere, how many more Sandy Hooks will there be before we do something.

Edited April 8, 2013 by rikker

[rikker]

Homeschooling decision was over a dispute with the school system over least restrictive environment for autism.

 

We use the K12.com curriculum and I have to tell you it's much better organized and logical than what my other son gets from school. Lack of peers is a problem, and we will try public education again if things work out, but I don't feel powerless when I see what they decide to do isn't right. My wife and I both work with him as needed, and yes, she's home during the day (works as a therapist at the hospital part time).

 

Maryland is supposedly the top ranked state as far as education. We're in the top ranked county in Maryland, and the best school in this county. But I gotta tell you when I compare what my son is learning in school now, compared to when I got my education in a 3rd world country, we're FAR behind here.

 

Having said all that, the quality of the education you receive is largely dependent on the effort students and families put in. This is the real problem with our education system.

 

I don't want to type as essay about all the things wrong with what's going on in the school system, taxes, etc... in Maryland. Many people like it here, some don't. I'm ready for a more conservative state.

 

I rarely agree with you, but hats off to you on this one, you are doing what you believe to be the best for your children and I have to admire and respect that.

Good Luck to you all and I hope things turn out well.

[speedwagon]

As has been well said here education is up to the parent and child, a very good education can be had without the schools at a reasonable cost. As for the Gun subject; I have guns, have had from a very early age, also have knifes, clubs, and various other tools for damage. It is your choice to own or not to own but do not infringe my rights to freedom. What should be the main focus is to find the right one who is guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt and make them answerable for the crime no matter what method was used. let us punish the guilty, but let's not kill or jail the innocent. Myself I would never choose a gun to commit mayhem, there are other ways simpler and far more effective. We have far too many laws now, and that in its self makes them ineffective. Let's lay off the guns and do what should be done. The most effective self defense uses what is at hand, your hands, they are always with you.

[Mondo]

Can't agree more on parent involvement with schooling. I think teachers get a bad rap... it's hard to get a student to improve without support from a parent.

 

As far as guns, I don't really have a problem with the type of gun someone has. But I don't really see the need for assault guns (military type). I assume it's a form/function admiration of it's abilities that people like (they're badass)... or they're preppers. I don't see the problem with universal backround checks. Big brother has a lot more critical info on a person then what type guns they own. In California, you can own an assault type weapon, but it's registered so the police know if they come up on a domestic dispute at a home with that type weapon they can take extra precautions (and I'm ok with that).

[speedwagon]

I fear more the police than I do the macho idiot with a so called assault weapon. They are all just semi-auto, but do have large magazines. As for gun control look to Mexico and see what it gets you. We are trying to point the finger at something instead of someone, and that is not getting the job done. Troubleshooting is; data accumulation analysis and correction. "give me the data and i will arrange it in such a manner as to prove your theory.

[WestTexasS2K]

You are being plan ignorant of weapons to think that a magazine size of 10 rounds is going to reduce gun violence. Anyone with about 10 min of practice can change a mag and be shooting again in less than 2 seconds. Chicago has some the strictest gun policy in the US and has the highest murder rate. Recent studies shoe 90 percent of the murders committed there are by gang members. You think that the gang bangers are going to go to the gun store and submit to a background check. If so you are being a bit naive.

 

Mexico puts you in jail for having a bullet casing in your vehicle and yet has thousands murdered every year with a gun. It doesnt appear that gun control is working there either. What has happened is civilians are dragged from their homes and murdered because they have no way to defend themselves against the cartels.

 

Gun ban supporters always point to the UK as an example of what gun bans can do. Yes gun deaths went down. Thats like saying banning driving reduces traffic accidents of course it does. But violent crime overall in the UK is 776 per 100k compared to 403 per 100k in the USA. (As close as can be calculated because the two countries calculate violent crime completely different)

 

If guns are the issue why is the murder rate in Switzerland not close to ours per capita? They have the second highest gun ownership next to USA, but some reason they have the lowest murder rate and violent crime rate in the world. Maybe they have one of the lowest instances of violent crime because they have a compulsory military service and 2/3 of the males are trained in the military and women volunteers are as well. They are trained and then sent home after their service with their gun in hand and it is kept their entire life. The government sponsors shooting days for training and supply all the ammunition you want to shoot. Maybe the reason violent crime is so low in Switzerland is because a large majority of the population is armed and trained to use their weapons. Maybe the reason the violent crimes in Switzerland are lower because they have less gangs? Maybe they have lower stress living? Maybe we should study what they do right and what we do wrong and change that not just go by emotional gut reaction to tragedies like Newtown.

 

Are there ways to improve the system sure. I don't hear very many complaining in my part of the country where gun ownership is high about background checks. I would say most people are ok with doing background checks, closing the "gun show loop hole". I think person to person sales is still a tender spot. That whole personal property thing that some hold dear. There are already laws in place for straw man purchases so no need to add other laws to do the same thing.

 

Assault rifle is a load a crap also spewed by those who know nothing about guns. It shoots the same as thousands of other guns you have to pull the trigger to shoot each bullet. Its not a full auto rifle like the military has or like what Hollywood puts out there. My pistol, shotgun and AR15 all shoot at the same speed.

If want to ban semi auto weapons that will remove 98 percent of the guns in existence. So you are back to a revolver. There are guys that can shoot 6 shoots out of a revolver accurately in under 2 second faster than a AR15. So maybe those men should be banned from owning guns at all since they are good with them.

 

Guns were not invented until the 9th century. It seems men have been killing each other long before the gun.

IMO banning gun may save a few lives. Banning Tylenol, cigarets, aspertaine, fluorinated water, GMO foods, drunk driving, and thousands of other ways people die would save lives too. Where do you draw the line?

 

 

If people aren't careful the government is going to slowly take every bit freedom and independence away from you. 911 happened we ended up with the Homeland security. We now we have check points on US highway hundreds of miles from the border to where you are asked for proof of citizenship before you are allowed on your way. You grandmothers and small kids are molested by goons at the airport every time you

fly. NDAA which is loaded with liberty robbing sections. Affordable Health Care Act which will eventually break most companies and make insurance unaffordable for everyone. You will no longer be able to choose who you want to use for health care.

 

In a report today an email from top Army officials in pentagon sent out a 14 page email advising the troops to be on the watch out for violent extremist groups like AFA American Family Association, American Family Radio which are both Christian broadcasting stations and Catholisim, Among other well known terroist groups.

 

http://nation.foxnews.com/religion/2013/04/05/us-army-labeled-evangelicals-catholics-examples-religious-extremism

 

 

So Christians are to be considered terrorist now? Where do you draw the line? Is there a line or do you just do what your told no matter what?

[snookwheel]

Very well said, West Texas s2k.

[slngsht]

Can't agree more on parent involvement with schooling. I think teachers get a bad rap... it's hard to get a student to improve without support from a parent.

 

Teachers do have a very tough job. I pulled my son out because it was clear it was not a good situation where he was.

[slngsht]

Your fantasy scenario of saving my family with a gun against a home invader rarely happens does it, though it is good material for an NRA ad.

What I do see are thousands of innocents being massacred year after year by guns.I would never have a gun in the house, even more so with children around.

 

Just because you don't see it in the news, doesn't mean guns aren't used for defensive purposes all the time. If you saw 10 news stories, or 100 news stories about every time a gun was used defensively, would that change your mind? This study is NOT from the NRA. Numbers vary widely, but even most conservative estimate is 65,000 defensive uses per year.

 

http://home.uchicago.edu/~ludwigj/papers/JQC-CookLudwig-DefensiveGunUses-1998.pdf

 

My "fantasy scenario" happens more than you think.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/01/06/atlanta-mother-shoots-intruder-five-times-in-self-defense/

Make sure you read this link and respond...

 

Today we had our version of the Iraqi information minister say there are no law abiding citizens concerned about their 2nd amendment rights. Seriously...

[slngsht]

I love it! "Bring your guns and ammo"!

 

Rikker, Texas and South Carolina are two of the states that are actively recruiting gun manufacturers like Magpul (Colorado), Berretta (Maryland), Colt (Connecticut) to move to their states. So, there's some truth to that.

 

I'm willing to bet if a thug with a tire iron was in your house and someone was there to hand you a gun, you may reconsider. But I understand if you don't based on your beliefs. Nobody is forcing you to use one.

 

 

BTW, there was a news story today about Colt moving to Texas

[rikker]

BTW, there was a news story today about Colt moving to Texas

 

but lets not have facts get in the way when you make a point.

It was in fact a small Colt Licensee in Oregon that makes special target rifles that has been looking for a larger plant and "may" move to TX.

Edited April 11, 2013 by rikker

[rikker]

Just because you don't see it in the news, doesn't mean guns aren't used for defensive purposes all the time. If you saw 10 news stories, or 100 news stories about every time a gun was used defensively, would that change your mind? This study is NOT from the NRA. Numbers vary widely, but even most conservative estimate is 65,000 defensive uses per year.

 

http://home.uchicago.edu/~ludwigj/papers/JQC-CookLudwig-DefensiveGunUses-1998.pdf

 

My "fantasy scenario" happens more than you think.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/01/06/atlanta-mother-shoots-intruder-five-times-in-self-defense/

Make sure you read this link and respond...

 

Today we had our version of the Iraqi information minister say there are no law abiding citizens concerned about their 2nd amendment rights. Seriously...

 

So SHT, you quote just one instance of home defense in a paper, then say that you believe that there are at least 65000 ( low quote) such occurrences every year, that would average pushing 200 a day !

Even for an ultra conservative NRA zealot that is one hell of a stretch.

 

Are you happy with the status quo? do you believe there is no problem?

 

If there is a problem with gun violence do you believe that the answer is more weapons of death and more ammunition.

Is the opening of a new gun factory really a cause for celebration?

You asked " would I change my opinion if someone was threatening my family in house with a tire iron" ?...well,would you change your point of view if you were asked to identify your 6 year old child shot to pieces after a carnage like Sandy Hook?

By the way, how many guns does the average gun lover own?

You appear to be somewhat educated yet why would you support an archaic law, to protect us against exactly what, bad government...it appears to be failing?

This 2 nd Amendment was put into law by old men that believed that it was OK to own slaves, that women would never vote,and that it was OK to use poor young children as a labour force , education and health care were only for the rich and privileged.

So, in conclusion "Maestro", would you favour any change whatsoever or is everything hunky dory?

Edited April 11, 2013 by rikker

[Hettric]

All cars above a (insert your arbitrary number here) HP/weight ratio and of course those that "just look to fast" - After all they only have one purpose.

 

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2526877