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Mike, that is just as bad, on both sides. Overall it has become acceptable to bend the rules in the checks and balances that served the country so well. Not a pretty picture.

Some more info... The parallels between these fine young adults and your boy Trayvon are striking. An investigation revealed one of the suspects had tried to sell drugs to the victim in a school bathroom. The victim notified officials at the school. Later that day, the suspects and victim rode the same school bus. To top it off, one of the thugs' fathers said "McKnight's father says the attack is not his son's normal behavior." LOL You know, skittles and water melon punch. Total victim man! On a serious note, how many opportunities has Obama taken to highlight positive race relations? Or positive interactions between private capital and labor? Everything he does is divisive.

Morgan, I know you don't care. At least we agree on that. Lol. Your (and general population's) apathy towards what politicians do is part of the problem. They can pretty much do anything (get BJs, run off with mistresses, hire prostitutes, run drugs, accept bribes, etc...), run for office again, and sheaple vote them in again (not a dem or pub specific problem). As for Trayvon, here's the problem. He opened a can of whoop-ass (his friend's words), but got more than he bargained for. Here's the thing... When you decide to bash someone else's head in, one possible outcome is that they can donate some bullets to the cause. Notice how there is no call from Trayvon to the police. He was too high I guess. Btw, here are three more of obama's sons in action for you. I'm sure sharpton, Jackson, Obama and holder are all gonna run down there shortly to discuss this. http://youtu.be/zie7PkZEB4Y

Your point on the specific story may be believable. But when one executive branch official after another gets before congress and just flat out lies about surveillance, IRS, impact of sequestration, etc..., there is no credibility. I can post a few examples for you if you don't know specifics of what I'm talking about. These are not news stories. Actual testimony before congress.

There was no evidence to suggest race had anything to do with what happened. Except of course what was produced by NBC by creative editing (do you know the incident I'm talking about?). Obama and Holder were all over the race angle on this though. No?

That's why there is a process to amend it. Not ignore it or work around it. Get the states to ratify a new amendment that nullifies or limits the 2nd or 4th amendments. I'm up for that.

... and still waiting for the answer to my question: how come the government does not value citizen rights enough to have such a process? it's been 12 years since 9/11! Is that sufficient time for the government to come up with such a process? Seriously, rationalize this.

You wanna have a discussion on class warfare after the zimmerman trial and race baiter in chief's comments? :lol: We just have a different view of role of government Morgan. I have no expectation of privacy only because I know the government no longer honors the constitution.

What qualifies a person to be on the no-fly list? What is the due process? if you agree there should be a way to challenge being on the list, how come the government does not value citizen rights enough to have such a process? it's been 12 years since 9/11! Is that sufficient time for the government to come up with such a process? Seriously, rationalize this. Yes, a citizen's right IS that important. There are SO many countries where it ISN'T. People are so quick to just toss away rights. Now it's OK for government to just watch over you. Think I'm making up stuff and over-reacting? How does this happen without probable cause? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/01/new-york-police-terrorism-pressure-cooker

It is not stupid at all. Do you know what the procedure is for getting OFF a no fly list? http://reason.com/blog/2012/05/16/government-lawyer-concedes-theres-no-way Bill of rights is such a simple concept. Look at how much of it is violated these days. 2nd amendment and 4th amendment are simply walked over these days.

Not what I was expecting to see. RIP Ed

such is the sad state of journalism .

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speechless!

If you end up separating, let me know what you want for the S3 scuttle.

Nota is pretty awesome. Went to their shop near Sydney. Amazing the stuff they make out of a small shop "Not a"... we can either do a dedicated thread in Off Topic, or a section. I'm afraid as a section it won't get enough traffic. I

I have seen this car in person and sat in it. Fantastic

Taxes pay for stuff just fine at the local level. Interstate highway system, air traffic control and highway standards belong with the Feds due to commerce clause. A lot of the rest can be done just fine at the state level. When you pay too much to the fed system and count on them to redistribute by funding projects, you end up with pork projects. Funny how capitalism is so under attack but when anyone needs help they keep looking to us. Seems to me this country has accomplished a lot but its uniqueness is getting diluted everyday

in the past feds have played hardball with states regarding drug laws. feds can always exert some control under the commerce clause. I think one of the midwest states passed a pro gun law that had some provisions for guns manufactured entirely within the state. I'm personally more in favor of state control on many social issues - the more control and funds go to the federal government, the dirtier the politics, the more divided the country IMO.

alright, glad we agree on some things. putting more guns out there is definitely not a solution - i'm not advocating that. gun safety and general education about responsible ownership and use are needed. I'm just not a fan of government mandating it. especially federal government. These decisions can be made at the local level, where people have greater control and say over their laws. I think we've beat this thing to death by now.

Very clever use of facts there! Simple question for you. Have they conclusively dropped their murder rate since 1997? If you look around, you'll find murder rates have stayed the same. The same goes for Australia. Just to play your "they have gun control therefore their murder rate is lower than here" - how's the murder rate in Mexico? lol. They have gun control. You can argue this any way you want, numbers don't lie. Violence is a function of societal problems, not guns.

you should read up on history of gun control in the UK and how registration led to confiscation. and as for guns being responsible for violent crimes... how come there is no "national debate" about violent movies and video games? This is the violent crime stats for UK - although their deaths by firearms are significantly lower. They just replaced firearms with knives, ropes, etc...: http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/england-full.png

"I guess you are attempting to call me a liberal.." you what I said: "Liberals who have no clue what they're talking about are trying to pass laws that don't make sense". Are you in congress? "and the same by myself, and the majority of this great country that chose to be Democrat with a President of the same." "How many guns do you have Mr SHT." Guns? what guns?

Agreed 100% - as long as background checks don't turn into registration

Why do you feel the need to insult people who are posting here? I'm happy with being able to buy however many guns I feel like, or none at all. I'm happy to be left alone when I'm not committing crimes with my guns. Liberal who have no clue what they're talking about are trying to pass laws that don't make sense, and I'll vote against that and fund people who work against that. Once it's law, I'll obey it and still support changing it. Answered. I'm not. Start pushing my buttons on freedom of religion, due process, over-reach and waste by the feds, and the welfare state, and you'll get a similarly passionate response. REMEMBER not to mock.