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well, it won't be 1 hour

I'm pretty sure VA is an open carry state.

almost everybody has an opinion on this topic. The stakes are too high for the front runners to come out and say anything on the topic until their hand is forced.

The constitution provides a way to do this, through another amendment. Problem is that the various methods (I think there are 4 ways) to get an amendment through, all require 2/3 majority - if I remember right, house, senate, and states. Last time I remember looking at poles on this issue, I think 2/3 of the public want to preserve the right (could be wrong on this). Either way, the legal battles are all because there is not a clear enough majority to make this change.

EVERYBODY is watching how this comes out.

I don't know how much - if any - national coverage this has gotten... so, if they knock on your door, will you let them in or refuse?

lucky bastard

difference between privilage and a right. Registration just to establish ownership... i can live with that. Taking guns away from convicted criminals, or those with a medical diagnosis of mental illness? sure. Makes perfect sense. An actual license? hmmm... not sure. Problem is that you give the .gov an inch, they take a foot. For example, in WV, if you drop out of school, your driver's license gets suspended. Is droping out of school a behavior we want to discourage? sure. Is taking the drivers license away appropriate? I'd say no. Unless what you are doing directly impacts the driving public, it's wrong. But I'm sure there is a very pretty graph somewhere relating accident rates of dropouts to students who stay in school. The other thing has to do with word association. Walk into a .gov building and say "income", they say "taxes". Say "license", they say "fees"

Sorry to hear about your friend. A story with a very different ending... this happened to a fellow Corvette owner. He had gone to Walmart and as is common practice, parked his car away from the crowded section of the lot. While he was walking away from his car, a teen tries to bypass the red light on the street by going through the parking lot, and plowed his ford explorer into the vette. Hearing the crash behind him, the vette owner turns around and starts back towards his car. At this point the teenager draws a knife and charges at the guy with - as he said - "a crazed look". The vette owner draws his weapon (conseal carry) and the teen decides it's better to put up his hands. The best part? The entire sequence was captured in still frames on Walmart's security cam - he posted it on the web. This was about 3 years ago. And 100% agree with powderbrake about the civil society.

I'm all for more stringent background checks, and generally enforcing the laws we already have.

Thanks for the update :thumbs:

If there were no guns in the society, then sure, it would make sense to keep guns out... same thing goes for not creating nuclear weapons, if no country had them. Steve, private citizens are being terrorized in their own homes here... happens here all the time, and we live in a relatively nice neighborhood. It's just simple risk / return. Neighborhoods with decent amount of valuables inside, no protection to speak of. Guys break in, owners roll over and give them whatever they want, they walk out. Just in the last few months I recall several instances of break-ins, owners bound and gagged, goods stolen. Sure, nobody was killed. These cases often go unsolved. Simply not enough police resources to do anything about it unless it was a murder. Dave, that's what criminals consider IMHO... they can take something, get away with it time and time again... no consequence. Gun safety is a matter of personal responsibility and common sense. It's not the same for everybody. For me, not having a gun is safer with little kids running around the house. For a single guy living by himself in the woods, I would have no problem having guns and ammo readily accessible.

If you weren't as physically capable, would you still feel the same way?

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Last time should have been New Orleans. CLEARLY the government was incapable of ensuring the citizens' safety on its own. I used to be neutral on this topic... not sure why I'm more passionate now. There is certainly merit on both sides. I guess I just don't have the trust and faith in our government like I used to. BTW, I don't practice any religion, but I'll be just a passionate about any proposed ban of reasonable religious practices.

alot of valid arguments there, and on a one on one situation, sure, homeowner has the disadvantage, and we'd be better off if NOBODY had guns. Telling the guy who broke into your house "Hey, you're not supposed to have that. It's against the LAW" won't get you far. I have a feeling he won't care much. In alot of cases, there are multiple residents in the house. If a guy walks in and has already shot someone in my household, no amount of sweet talking is gonna disarm me. Well, there won't be much talkin Knowing that the homeowner *might* be armed is a form of protection in itself. Take the case of what happened in New Orleans a couple of years back. That can happen to ANY city, particularly DC. As it was clearly demonstrated in NO, the local government will not be able to do jack. You will be on your own to protect your family. In that situation, I'd rather have access to a firearm. Finally... the amendment simply says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." There IS a proper way to do away with this amendment... another amendment, and the rules are pretty well defined. Nobody wants to play that game when it's not convenient though...

Agreed...

so no truth to the story? I hope that's the case.

I'm pretty sure it's a hell of a lot easier to give up this right, than it is to get it back. I can't believe I'm typing this, but I think I fall in the "right to carry a gun is right up there with their right to carry a bible" camp... Although, there is a higher likelyhood you'll win the lotto jackpot multiple times in the same week than catch me with a religious book. All the same, I respect the people who practice religion and their beliefs... as long as it doesn't step on my rights...

Will the DC gun ban law be upheld? Next thing you know, we'll have to give up fire extinguishers :ack: :ack: :leaving:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article900459.ece

Watch both videos.

damn man, you always have to be "different" Seems like there are plenty of Mac options... maybe one of the other Mac peeps can pipe in with the best choice. :cheers:

In interest of reducing page load times, bandwidth demands, and disk space, please try to resize pics before uploading. If you have event pictures or pictures that show some detail relevant to the post, feel free to upload the big copies for everyone's benefit. Microsoft has a nice little tool for resizing pictures - you can right click on any picture (or groups of pictures) and resize them. It can be found here. Look on the right hand side for "Image Resizer". Thanks As I write this, I downloaded 132 pictures that are anywhere from 1.1 Meg to 3 Meg, resized, and reuploading. :cheers:

C5Z or C6Z?