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I understand it to be the R888. They will be my new set for next week’s events.
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Will add a reminder to my calendar. I dont think its same tire in the race 420s as most have a stagger wheel set up, including my car. The Academy is square wheel set up but I dont know what model Toyos they are running there. Oh and I will not be in the UK - Dijon and Mas Du Clos in the center of France.
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Toyos - graduated grip levels for the various series.
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The Regular Summary of Classified Ads of Se7ens Found For Sale
Croc replied to Croc's topic in Cars For Sale
Week Beginning May 12, 2024 USA7s Classified Ads of Cars for Sale USA7s classified pages - USA7s member have the benefit of selling for free on USA7s forum. https://usa7s.net/ips/forum/26-cars-for-sale/ New Ads Found This Week Stalker AXR - newly live on Bringatrailer ( @Anaximander ) https://bringatrailer.com/listing/stalker-cars-axr/ Caterham https://www.ebay.com/itm/266805485688?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=N4sWDbhKTfi&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY and here https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2117301505293672/ Replica https://www.ebay.com/itm/116176418105?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=bp21XCWTSg6&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY Westfield https://www.hagerty.com/marketplace/classified/1965-Lotus-Seven/b8a4d89a-4707-445d-9b4b-0c18811314ad Rotus https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1551578585401579/ Lotus 7 S4 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/968198324859905/ MK Indy https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1569740300541204/ and here https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-lotus-caterham-mk-indy-super/7745708068.html Repeat Ads From Prior Week Three used Caterhams plus one build slot for a new kit available https://rockymountaincaterham.com/inventory/ plus the Caterham 280S is listed here https://boise.craigslist.org/cto/d/seattle-2014-caterham-280s/7738459119.html and here https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/cto/d/vancouver-2014-caterham-280s/7738444204.html Birkin https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/451412504241333/ Locost Project https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/915341150072986/ Replica https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/963054228801633/ Dutton https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1077945503561717/ Locost https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/789794589765228/ Birkin (note - some USA7s forum members have noted the owner is not responsive to inquiries) https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/296067306849485/ Locost https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/897203795271412/ Replica https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/326226250472080/ Replica https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/7372499592813693/ Westfield Seight https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/271475399262057/ Lotus 7 S2 https://www.ebay.com/itm/355707187244?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=4m1yw6uvr36&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY and here https://www.motorclassiccorp.com/used-vehicle-1962-lotus-super-7-c-150/ and here https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1400596610617686/ Lotus 7 S2 https://motorsportsmarket.com/racecars/lotus-super-seven/ Exomotive https://www.hemmings.com/listing/2019-custom-other-659822 Westfield https://www.ebay.com/itm/355628793938?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=fbJmRN0DTES&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY Canada Ads Caterham https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/markham-york-region/caterham-lotus-super-7-concours-condition/1677025176 Westfield https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/lethbridge/2016-westfield-lotus/1671103155 and here https://www.autotrader.ca/a/lotus/seven/lethbridge/alberta/19_12680734_/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&orup=12_12_12&pc=M4B 2J8&sprx=-1 Exomotive https://www.autotrader.ca/a/mazda/miata mx-5/chelsea/quebec/19_12807617_/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&orup=55_12_58&pc=M4B 2J8&sprx=-1 Caterham https://7cars.ca/cars-for-sale/caterham-s3-360.htm -
I run the Hoosier R7 on the CSR on track in the USA. Love them. Definitely quicker lapping than the Avon ZZR extreme compound. Good life to them as well. I think I use them in 13x7 and 13x9 on my car - not next to it to check sorry. As for Avon ZZR extreme versus Toyo R888, I can let you know 10 days from now when I am at Dijon and Mas Du Clos. I have half a set of the Avons left and a fresh set of the Toyos to go on. The only reason I went for the Toyos as a replacement is that slicks are not allowed and the best treaded tire right now, per TFL Racing who support 40 something Caterhams for race and track, are the Toyos. However, I have been told to expect to be slower by 2+ seconds a lap over the Avons - sad but thats it for now. Edited to add I did talk with Roger Krause two weeks back about what others are doing without the Avon ZZR. His solution is to take a Formula Continental slick and have it hand grooved. Gives you the life of a slick but the appearance of DOT. I have also heard that someone else is doing this is Michelin F3 tires. Depends on whether a DOT label is checked I suppose? Roger is well plugged into the owner of Nova - he's the guy for supplies when Nova is up and running.
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My first call would be to Tom Carlin at Birkin USA. He should have everything you need on the shelf. While he is registered on USA7s he does not come here much as he is quite busy. Top guy!
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About to Purchase First 7 and Need Advice!
Croc replied to Randy Flowers's topic in General Sevens Discussion
Charlie - Clear your cookies on your browser before you buy. The major insurance companies track that shit to pre-populate your quote next time you come to buy and you do not want to be checking price options on answers that only have one correct legal answer. No idea if Hagerty does that but don't take the risk. -
About to Purchase First 7 and Need Advice!
Croc replied to Randy Flowers's topic in General Sevens Discussion
Hagerty offer track days and offer track day insurance. Their standard insurance policy does not cover you on track. Be careful with insurance comparisons. Insurance is state based. Premiums are based on a bunch of location stats plus your individual driving record. The standard mileage for Hagerty is usually 3K per year. They have checked me once in 20 years. The agreed value is a fair point of comparison. Hagerty historically was a Managing General Agent and relied on other insurance companies to provide the state-admitted insurance policy paper (with the Hagerty branding. While they have now bought their own licensed carrier it did not cover all states and they were still working through the regulatory stuff to get their own admitted insurance policy paper which takes a long time. I think for Oregon, Hagerty was using Essentia Insurance which is owned by Markel out of Bermuda (they are good don't worry). The thing you need to check is what limits for liability and property damage Hagerty have given you and whether they match where your umbrella personal liability policy starts at. If it does not match then you have just exposed yourself to potential liability. Its not an investment. No guarantees but if the future holds true to how its played out over the last 10-15 years then I would expect that the value initially declines in the 0-5 year mark - call it $10K worst case over that time. The value then continues to very slowly decline to reaching a plateau from 10-20 years - it reaches its floor around 20-25 years. Specialist cars are usually inflating at the inflation rate (or more if really collectible) by their 25 year age mark. Caterhams that are early 2000s are bringing $30-40K today 20 years on - depending on condition, spec level, etc. They were were being sold at $40-50K+ original price then. Your $10-15K value loss/depreciation estimate is fairly good. However, you are quoting nominal prices. Over time the real value (i.e. inflation adjusted) has declined. So a dollar today will be worth roughly 15-20% less 10 years from now than it is today. Add that to your nominal depreciation for a true value check. So its not an investment but it is a fairly decent proposition in having automotive fun with far less of a dent to the wallet than say buying a new sports car like a Miata or Nissan or Toyota or BMW. Keeps it in a better proportion. The two wild cards in all of this are: 1) politicians talking about phasing out internal combustion. It is possible with their stupid logic that they jack up emissions testing retroactively and then we end up with what is known as "stranded assets" I doubt it but its possible. But you should still be able to use a Caterham on track. 2) The aging out of the population. We tend to desire the cars of our early teenage years. Roll forward to when us folks have money to acquire these cars - usually at the 20-25 year mark, thats when the cars start to boom in value. Pre-war cars used to bring top dollars but they do not now as their population has mostly aged out. You are starting to see relative declines in 1950s-60s car values now but it will take a lot of time for the boomers to roll off. You are also seeing the rise in values of 1980s-90s classics as that population cohort ages into their prime. Most people who got into se7ens have some recollection of the Lotus seven who are an aging cohort. The later folks got hooked some other way. Is the population of se7en buyers aging out in net head count or holding static? Gut feel with numbers tells me its aging out very slowly. Ask me again in 10 years! The other way to consider value - its cheaper than a divorce and about half the price of what you pay for a kitchen renovation in Manhattan and you get to put a smile on your face and keep you sanity. I sound like a Mastercard commercial eh? -
About to Purchase First 7 and Need Advice!
Croc replied to Randy Flowers's topic in General Sevens Discussion
He did - I asked about that after the article finished because I was curious to hear how bad their build was. They did pretty well to their credit. -
The Naturally Aspirated Caterham Seven Is Dead
Croc replied to CBuff's topic in General Sevens Discussion
I think this is a Europe only thing. Read between the lines in the press release - usual cute language that I am used to seeing. They have enough Duratecs for two or more years of orders. I expect the real reason for phase out is regulatory - need to meet a lower emissions standard that is being phased in at the end of this year in the EU. It will be interesting to see what the replacement powerplant is for Europe as that will preview what the civilized world gets eventually in their Caterhams. -
T-9 Gearbox 24 Tooth driven speedometer gear needed...
Croc replied to Mark Bondurant's topic in Parts For Sale / Wanted
Breakages are fairly common. Usual places that would stock something like that are Dave Bean, Moss Motors, Burton Power. A whole bunch appeared on Ebay. A quick google turned up this link: https://www.bearingkits.co.uk/TYPE-9-GEARBOX-SPEEDO-DRIVE-GEAR-24-TEETH/809.htm#gsc.tab=0 -
The Regular Summary of Classified Ads of Se7ens Found For Sale
Croc replied to Croc's topic in Cars For Sale
Week Beginning May 5, 2024 USA7s Classified Ads of Cars for Sale Best place to start looking for a se7en is the USA7s classified pages - USA7s member have the benefit of selling for free on USA7s forum. https://usa7s.net/ips/forum/26-cars-for-sale/ New Ads Found This Week Replica https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/808404667459950/ Locost https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/789794589765228/ Repeat Ads From Prior Week Caterham - one new kit build slot plus a couple of Caterhams available https://rockymountaincaterham.com/inventory/ plus the Caterham 280S is listed here https://boise.craigslist.org/cto/d/seattle-2014-caterham-280s/7738459119.html and here https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/cto/d/vancouver-2014-caterham-280s/7738444204.html Westfield Seight https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/271475399262057/ Lotus 7 S2 https://www.ebay.com/itm/355676683043?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=4m1yw6uvr36&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY and here https://www.motorclassiccorp.com/used-vehicle-1962-lotus-super-7-c-150/ and here https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/398463026214290/ Lotus 7 S2 https://motorsportsmarket.com/racecars/lotus-super-seven/ Westfield https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/westfield/se/2610959.html and here https://www.ebay.com/itm/355628793938?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=fbJmRN0DTES&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY Replica https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/963054228801633/ Birkin https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/296468503500595/ Locost Project https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/915341150072986/ Birkin https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1477416826541331/ Birkin https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/296067306849485/ Locost https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/897203795271412/ Replica https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/326226250472080/ Replica https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2595242057309718/ Dutton https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1077945503561717/ Replica https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/7372499592813693/ Canada Ads Westfield https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/lethbridge/2016-westfield-lotus/1671103155 and here https://www.autotrader.ca/a/lotus/seven/lethbridge/alberta/19_12680734_/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&orup=12_12_12&pc=M4B 2J8&sprx=-1 Caterham https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/markham-york-region/caterham-lotus-super-7-concours-condition/1677025176 and here https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2050719618611304/ Eva Beva https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/mississauga-peel-region/1985-eve-beva/1674367159 Exomotive https://www.autotrader.ca/a/mazda/miata mx-5/chelsea/quebec/19_12807617_/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&orup=66_6_67&pc=M4B 2J8&sprx=-1 Locost Project https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/295420320065513/ Caterham https://7cars.ca/cars-for-sale/caterham-s3-360.htm -
You are are the only Steel Bros car owner on USA7s. I am aware of one other Steel Bros car in the US but thats because it came up for auction once years ago - I don't know the owner. There is some specific information on S4 cars in the technical library on this site: Assembly manual Design Analysis From distant recollection (like 30 years ago), the Steel Bros wiring harness is different to the Lotus S4 as it was developed locally in NZ. There is some generic Lucas electrical detail in the library that may be of use since most components will likely be Lucas as NZ mostly imported from the UK at that time as it had no manufacturing base - find it by going top left menu bar BROWSE -> DOWNLOADS and then looking under electrical. To answer your earlier question on parts sourcing - some ideas: There is not going to be a single source supplier anywhere - be ready to use some creative thinking. Much of the parts were common with many of the mainstream Lotus cars of the time. Trying to do a match of those parts to another Lotus model through somewhere like RD Enterprises in PA will solve most suspension, drive train, electrical component items. A lot of Steel Bros S4s went to Australia. A lot stayed in NZ. Plugging into with a NZ or an Australian Lotus forum to find those other owners will connect you to people who have solved the problems you are trying to solve. Some discussion on Steel Bros has come up on an NZ based forum that I follow called Roaring Season. Its been useful for tracking down the history on two of my (non-Lotus cars over the years. A quick site search pulled up this link: http://www.theroaringseason.com/showthread.php?414-Widebody-S4-Lotus-Seven/page6 While it is dated (2012 is a long time ago), you may be able to reach out to some of the participants on that thread. One contributor (Binzy1) said he owned a Steel Bros car. There may be more information on that forum for Steel Bros with a bit of searching.
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A Steel Bros S4 was the first se7en I ever drove back when I lived in Australia. I think they were better made than the S4's that came out of the UK. Great back story to this car - very worthy project.
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It would be possible to do with a car that is greater than 25 years old. Consider getting some form of breakdown cover though.
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The Regular Summary of Classified Ads of Se7ens Found For Sale
Croc replied to Croc's topic in Cars For Sale
Week Beginning April 28, 2024 USA7s Classified Ads of Cars for Sale Best place to start looking for a se7en is the USA7s classified pasges - USA7s member have the benefit of selling for free on here. https://usa7s.net/ips/forum/26-cars-for-sale/ New Ads Found This Week Replica https://www.ebay.com/itm/404940905879?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=b3z-ons5tkq&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY Birkin https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/296468503500595/ Replica https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2595242057309718/ Repeat Ads From Prior Week Caterham - one new kit build slot plus a couple of Caterhams coming in https://rockymountaincaterham.com/inventory/ plus the Caterham 280S is listed here https://boise.craigslist.org/cto/d/seattle-2014-caterham-280s/7738459119.html and here https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/cto/d/vancouver-2014-caterham-280s/7738444204.html Westfield Seight https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/271475399262057/ Lotus 7 S2 https://www.ebay.com/itm/355649812049?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=4m1yw6uvr36&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY and here https://www.motorclassiccorp.com/used-vehicle-1962-lotus-super-7-c-150/ and here https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/398463026214290/ Westfield https://www.ebay.com/itm/355628793938?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=fbJmRN0DTES&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY and here https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/westfield/se/2610959.html Lotus 7 S2 https://motorsportsmarket.com/racecars/lotus-super-seven/ Locost Project https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/915341150072986/ Birkin https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1477416826541331/ Birkin https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/296067306849485/ Locost https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/897203795271412/ Replica https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/963054228801633/ Dutton https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1077945503561717/ Replica https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/326226250472080/ Replica https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/7372499592813693/ Exomotive https://www.hemmings.com/listing/2019-custom-other-659822 Canada Ads Robin Hood Project https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/cranbrook/lotus-super-7-inspired-project-car/1691042527 Westfield https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/lethbridge/2016-westfield-lotus/1671103155 and here https://www.autotrader.ca/a/lotus/seven/lethbridge/alberta/19_12680734_/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&orup=12_12_12&pc=M4B 2J8&sprx=-1 Exomotive https://www.autotrader.ca/a/mazda/miata mx-5/chelsea/quebec/19_12807617_/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&orup=56_15_68&pc=M4B 2J8&sprx=-1 Caterham https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/markham-york-region/caterham-lotus-super-7-concours-condition/1677025176 and here https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2050719618611304/ Caterham https://7cars.ca/cars-for-sale/caterham-s3-360.htm Locost Project https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/295420320065513/ -
Yes that is right. The newer one is too big but so is the older pre-2016 version. The only thing that fits the tunnel is the old Miata 5 speed. Lots have tried as it would be a brilliant solution otherwise. Easy to mate to the Duratec which is a Mazda engine anyway.
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Anybody knows what happened to my Birkin?
Croc replied to slomove's topic in General Sevens Discussion
I just noticed you are Fort Collins. One of my cars is there. Did you move from CA? Retirement I guess? -
I agree completely - that would be ideal and I did investigate. Sadly it does not fit the tunnel as the casing is differently shaped to the older 5 speed. I think the only practical outcome for now is considering gear calc to go taller on final drive to see if that makes 3 gears (2-3-4) come into play more than the current mostly 2 gears (3-4). I doubt it but its the only idea I have not run to ground. Of course I could always go out and buy a new 420 Cup car....but no.... I am a little surprised that Caterham have not done something with this already by modifying the tunnel to take the 6 speed.
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No thanks. I do enough "first" things with Caterhams and have the scars to prove it.
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Which H pattern 6 speed Graham? None I know of other than the old Caterham 6 speed will fit and I do not want to install one of those as they are no longer supported plus I would have to change the input shaft. My only other options are: 1) change final drive from 3.9 to 3.6 - need to run gear calc but I am sure that will not change things other than bring second gear into play a little more at some circuits 2) install a Sadev 6 speed sequential (still have to change input shaft) 3) Could drop in a Quaife 5 or 6 speed sequential but not a fan of their boxes as I have had quality issues in the past and the sadev is the better product 4) drop in a BGH custom T9 box with ratios of my choice - would not be that much different to the existing Miata 5 speed in there so no.
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Just finished writing up a new article on a Portugal track day Linking here as not all of you explore in that section.
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Visiting Portugal for Portimao and Estoril for track days - Part 2 Part 1 of this 2 part article is located here: Continuing on with Part 2 Heading Back North to Cascais Next morning it was the drive back north through Lisbon and out to the western fringes for Cascais. This seaside town is an upmarket part of Lisbon. Its only 15-minute drive to the Estoril Circuit with plenty of good hotel and dining options available. Estoril Circuit Like Portimao, I was last here in 2017. This circuit has a long and prestigious history. It was the home of the Portuguese Formula 1 Grand Prix from 1984 to 1996. It still hosts major events such as the FIA World Touring Car Cup, European Le Mans Series, and the FIM Endurance World Championship. It’s a shorter track at 2.6 miles than Portimao. While it has some elevation, it is nowhere near as pronounced as the Portimao circuit. The track has a long straight past the pits ending with a downhill braking zone into turn 1. A medium downhill right-hander which opens on exit to a downhill section under the spectator bridge to turn 2 which is a very fast 4th gear (for me) right-hander. Still downhill you brake for the right hairpin which launches you uphill steeply. Lots of camber change in the track surface which makes it easy to unsettle the car and have the rear end break loose. Then it’s a tight left hairpin at Curva VIP which opens out on to the back straight. There is a right kink but in reality, it’s a non-event as you never lift or brake. Then it is a hard brake for a long 180-degree left hairpin. Slightly downhill on exit to Orelha corner which is a open right hander. A short straight then kick right to Gancho which is a tight uphill chicane/reverse Z corner. This leads out into what is called the Esses but is in reality a curving section of track leading into a conventional, albeit bumpy, 90-degree left which throws you into the right-handed Parabolica Ayrton Senna leading onto the main straight. This last corner was great fun in a Caterham. You just kept adding power and the car would grip while the rear end slowly yawed out as more speed was added. Probably the primary cause of my tire moment late in the day. Overall assessment is that it favors the Caterham. Lots of tight technical work with limited ability for a Porsche to put its power down and assert an advantage in a straight line. At the Parabolica it was especially pronounced as the Porsches took wider lines to add speed and I would slip down the inside and easily get away from them – briefly – for they would catch me back on the straight. There were only three Caterhams running Estoril. The rental 420 race car was in the truck, so it was brought out for the individual who lost their clutch in their Caterham at Portimao. This was a great outcome for him as it kept him having fun on a good circuit. Having someone in the rental 420 race car was a bonus for me as we could have a game of track tag. In theory, he should have got away from me but I had prior experience here which counts for something. The TFL rental Caterham 420 race car returning to the pits. Some video of some of the track tag fun before I had to break off for a loose item in the cockpit. Some of you know this already but for those who do not, I cannot heel and toe this Caterham SV. I can heel and toe in any other car, or even a Caterham S3 (yes I fit despite being “chunky”) but this one Caterham SV pedal box escapes me – the gap between the brake and accelerator is just too wide for my foot. One day I need to spend a day in the TFL workshop modifying it to work for me like I have done with my US cars. At least I got decent audio on this video. I definitely want more time on track around here. There are some quirks of the track that should unlock more time. Here is some more video of my last session of the day. As you can see the tail happy nature of the car got more pronounced as the session went on. Last corner before I came in felt especially lively. There was a reason for that tail happiness. Oops! Delamination time at 4:15pm on the last day. These Avon ZZR Extremes were brand new at Portimao. Wrap Up Another superb RSR event. These events are not cheap but offer an incredible quality of track time with the open pit lane format. It was just an incredible experience to get back to Portimao – took me 7 years! If you want to try some bucket list tracks in the UK or Europe, get in touch and I can lay out the options. They are not cheap sadly but sometimes bucket list items must be crossed off our lists. Links TFL Racing https://www.tflracing.co.uk/ Autodromo Internacional Algarve https://autodromodoalgarve.com/ Estoril Circuit https://www.circuito-estoril.pt/en/ Attachment - RSR trip flyer RSR Portugal Trip Flyer and Maps.pdf
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Visiting Portugal for Portimao and Estoril for track days RSR Spa Portugal Track Days In April I made the pilgrimage to Portugal for a three-day track event with RSR – Ron Simons Racing. RSR is famous for their Nürburgring and Spa-Francorchamps operations where you can rent their cars for the track and do their track days. I once rented an Alfa 75 from RSR in the early 1990’s to learn the Nürburgring, so they know the track business. RSR track days are high-end events. A fitted-out driver lounge with refreshments and snacks throughout the day. Lunch is catered for. In the European style, alcohol (wine and beer) is available to partake at lunch). A champagne reception happens at the end of the last day. Majority of the cars are late model road or race Porsches. This is no guarantee of driving standards though after my experience of last October when in two days, 8 Porsches were written off at Spa-Francorchamps. RSR had approximately 20 rental Porsches present that they had trucked to Portugal for customers. The rest were those who either drove to the circuit or had arranged a truck delivery. Two circuits were on offer this trip. Two days at Autodromo Internacional Algarve, also commonly known at Portimao Circuit, and one day at Estoril Circuit, located on the western outskirts of Lisbon. My plan was to fly into Lisbon, pick up the rental car and head 2.5 hours south to the Algarve, complete the Portimao days, then drive north to Cascais where I would base myself for the Estoril day. I had been here previously with a rental Caterham back in 2017 and the Portimao Circuit made such an impression that I vowed to come back one day. 2024 saw me live up to that promise. The Algarve I arrived slightly early to have a weekend to knock off jetlag by staying in Lagos, about a 20-minute drive from the Portimao Circuit. If you have the time, then this is a good place to base yourself and explore. The coastline here is famous for its beaches, sea caves, dolphins, and stunning scenery. While I initially spent the weekend on the beach at Lagos, I shifted to the Portimao Race Resort next to the circuit to make it an easier commute for the two days. While it does have spectacular views of the circuit, there is a lack of quality dining options. I would have been better to stay in Lagos where I was – hindsight is easy! Portimao Circuit This circuit was completed in 2008. For a new circuit it is totally old school. Lots of blind crests and an interesting mix of fast sweepers and slow turns to make it technical and challenging as a driver. Some seriously major elevation changes make it somewhat a rollercoaster of a ride. While it did host a Formula 1 race during the Covid era, it is more well known for being a round of the World Superbike Championships. The track layout begins with a deceptively fast right-hand sweeper that was best taken (for me) by dropping a gear, followed by a full throttle right sweeper before hard on the brakes and down a gear for a tight right hairpin, then sweep steeply uphill to the left where the exit is blind, and the car wants to rotate left as you crest the hill while apply throttle. A short straight then steeply downhill braking zone leading into a left-hand hairpin. Uphill past the media center accelerating hard with a mild left sweep before pivoting the car for a very far right downhill. Then hard on the brakes for a 120 degree right steep uphill. Again, on exit, its blind but you accelerate hard over the crest then steeply down through a left sweeper, hard on throttle the entire way, before swooping upwards over a blind crest, to a plateau where you brake hard to make the right. This plateau is rather featureless which makes it challenging to pick out the braking and turn in points. Immensely satisfying when you get it right. Then exit steep downhill for another down and up swooping sweeper to the left where there is a sharp brake for the 140-degree left tight hairpin. Next is a downhill off camber right-hander leading to a short straight where you build speed for the very fast right-hander swoop down to the main straight. Just a brilliant use of elevation and challenging corners. Huge g-forces from the turns, I felt sore the next morning. There were 60 cars signed up. Open pit lane format usually only means half that number are on track at any one time. On a 3-mile circuit that’s not bad. The usual exceptions apply – first 30-40 minutes plus the hour after lunch are when everyone goes out. Common sense says to avoid that period as it is slightly nuts. It was a Porsche benefit event. Two-thirds of the cars were Porsche. We had fun trying to calculate the value of the cars in the fleet, but it was over ten million dollars. The format of the day was open pit lane. The first 20 mins was a beginner session of passing only on the straight to allow people time to familiarize themselves with the layout before allowing full passing. In practice, by lap two the usual passing rules applied – pass anywhere with a point by and even then the point by was not waited for. Complicating things, there was confusion by some people using hazards to indicate their slow vehicles. You had to have your wits about you as the closing speeds were epically quick. A pro McLaren GT race car and some Porsche Cup race cars that were doing some testing ahead of that weekend’s race event were pulling very quick times. It was hard to spot them early enough in the mirrors to keep out of the way. I was in my usual Caterham 420R. It had been trucked out by TFL Racing from their base in the Midlands in the United Kingdom along with 5 other customer cars – four other Caterhams and one Porsche 718 GT4. It is the usual road going 420R SV. 2L Duratec with 210hp. Five speed Miata box. 3.9 rear end. Track suspension pack. Upgraded with some quality Tillet carbon seats plus the track day cage which I put on last year after some organizers started mandating cages on Caterhams. The letdown of the car package is the five-speed gearbox. It really lacks gear options, and the spread of ratios has some big gaps where the rev drop is not optimal. Fifth gear is an overdrive and is not always usable on track as it can make the car go slower if there is a gradient. I made it worse for myself by somehow bending the 5th gear selector fork in the opening lap. No idea how. Never done it before. Over 35 years and 100,000 miles on track and I made a complete hash of it. Unfortunately, the fix is gearbox out and that was not going to happen. The only practical solution was to limit myself to 1st through 4th gears and a redline of 7000rpm. That meant I was only about 120 mph maximum along the straights. I was always going to get gobbled up at Portimao as that long straight is well suited to the Porsches. The rest of the circuit suited the Caterhams as it was tight and technical, but the advantage was lost at the straight. Overall assessment – it was a bias towards favoring the Porsches. The other TFL supported Caterhams are mostly 420 race cars. The same 2L Duratec but with a Sadev sequential. There was one road Caterham there – another 420R like mine but he had the 6 speed Caterham gearbox. Same engine as mine but when I followed, I would watch him walk away from me out of corners as he was able to use the closer ratio gear set to get the engine into the optimal rev range. TFL Racing TFL Racing have supported me for quite a few years. Both Phill and Sarah were at Bookatrack who I had used as my track day operator and rental Caterham supplier for 10 years before it changed hands, so it was an easy thing for me to shift to TFL to be my track day support business. Many of the former Bookatrack customers are still around at TFL which makes it fun. TFL are one of the bigger operators in the UK for race and track day support, handling something like 30 Caterhams and the odd Radical or Atom. The best bit about going to an event like this with TFL Racing is that they take care of the small details. Both Sarah and Phill sort out the scheduling, suggest possible places to stay near the circuit, facilitate booking with track day organizers, deal with any European import issues, prepare the car, fuel it and maintain it on the day, and most important supply the drivers with tea and biscuits (cookies for the Americans). I know most of the other customers from past track events, so it is very social during the day which makes it far more enjoyable. A secret bonus is that Sarah was a very handy racer in a Caterham and so knows the circuits well if you want to tap into her experience of learning the lines. All you need to do is turn up with your driving kit of helmet, gloves, suitable clothes/race suit, driving boots, and a pack of biscuits to keep Phill happy and snacking all day. If you want to rent a fully prepared and supported Caterham for a track day, then TFL have a nice looking Caterham 420 race car ready to go. Some USA7s members did a share rental for four days at Spa-Francorchamps last year and one lucky USA7s member has booked it for Spa in October this year. Obviously prices are not cheap but for the true driving enthusiast who wants to experience a bucket list circuit like Portimao, Spa-Francorchamps, Zandvoort, Brands Hatch GP, etc., then this is one of the only makes to make it happen. The Portimao Pits The quality of cars in the pits was tremendous. Lots of quality items to mentally shop for as you wandered the pits. Two BAC Monos were present. While I had come across these before, my experience was most watching them break down, usually from electrical issues, and being towed back into the pits. Not the case with these ones – well prepared and perfectly reliable. Loved the engineering on them. Blisteringly quick too. Normally, most track days I do have restrictive noise limits. Not so at Portimao where there was a 130db limit. Even unsilenced Porsche Cup cars would not have failed. So that saw a lot of owners drop their track day silencers. This one fell off a 718 Cayman GT4. I had a chance to check out a KTM X-Bow in person. Never seen one in real life before. Very chunky design. Audi A4 drivetrain with a 320hp turbocharged 2L 4-cylinder with a 6-speed manual gearbox. So it was quick. But I found I could slightly out brake it in my Caterham and I thought I was having less issues in the corners than it was. I would not mind having a drive though! Some other expensive toys. In the pits next door was a Maserati coupe race car. It was so heavy that it needed three guys to make the thing move when pushing. My Caterham could easily catch and pass it. He started braking a full 200 feet before I did into the hairpin. It seemed to have regular electrical fails. You could smell its brakes half a circuit away. The end of the day was when it arrived in a cloud of steam. Oh well. Unreliability did strike the Caterhams of TFL too. On the morning of the second day, one of the 420 race cars lost an alternator belt which as it was escaping bent the alternator bracket. Later, the same car dropped a valve. It had been a long time since the last engine refresh, so these things are expected. Then the other road Caterham lost its clutch while out on the circuit and was towed back in. That car was out of action for the next circuit but its owner had a backup plan to be back out on track at Estoril. This is the catch with long distance track days. There are no guarantees that something will not go wrong but at least with a professional operator like TFL you have a fighting chance of getting back in the game. Some video to give you an idea. True to form, I selected the wrong microphone setting on the camera so there is no sound. There is however data. This was my fastest session of the two days where I did a 2min7 lap. To put that in context, a 420 race car did a 2min neat lap around the same time. The 7 second gap is about right if you deduct from my time: - The race car’s 6 speed sequential gear box where you use 2-3-4-5-6 gears while I only have 2-3-4. - The race car had Avon F3 slicks on while my road car had Avon ZZR extreme compound – that’s 2-3 seconds a lap alone. - The race car has a 3.6 rear end ratio which gives it roughly 10mph higher top end speed. - The race car is a race S3 chassis while mine is a road SV chassis so that is a 185-pound weight advantage. It just goes to show how much difference there is between Caterham race and road cars. Unfortunately, the video does have the effect of flattening the elevation change. It looks a lot flatter than it really is in real life. You can also see me start to go to change to 5th gear from habit then have to stop myself. I want a lot more seat time around there. I was still experimenting on lines by the end of the second day and from reviewing some of the data this week, some of the really optimal lines are not the most logical. Brilliant circuit. One of my top 5 circuits anywhere in the world (which are Bathurst, Spa-Francorchamps, Zandvoort, Dijon-Prenois, Portimao). Part 2 of this Article is located here:
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