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Pectel was bought by Cosworth. The dealer in the US now is Apexspeed Technology. [/url]http://www.apexspeedtech.com/ The guys at Quicksilver know quit a bit about the T2 also. I have a copy of a later manual somewhere if you need one. You probably don't need to run 60 psi for fuel pressure. I suspect the injectors in your Supersport were upgraded from the factory Focus grey tops (19lb) to something larger. FF2000's/Continentals I believe mostly use stock injectors, but they make about 20 hp over the stock Focus so the higher fuel pressure makes them act like a larger injector than they are. 60 PSI is about 20 more than stock, so it makes a 19 pound injector act like about a 25 pound injector. If you already have a 25 or 30 pound injector (rated at 43.5 PSI), then 60 PSI would give you too much fuel. Bottom line is if the plastic part of the injectors are grey you need every bit of 60 PSI. If not they are probably uprated to a larger injector with a design pressure of 43.5 PSI. 200 NA HP normally requires 25-30 pound injectors. SVT injectors are about 28 pounds. Since you are in the development stage, I would suggest you consider a WB with a direct display. It will let you know what's really going on in real time. You can output the 0-5 volt to the ECU at the same time. Hope this is of some help.
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Pretty sophisticated race car. The 016. Whats the speed on the back straight at Road Atalanta?
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The Zetec setup Birkin (Dick Brink) was working on was going to use water or water/alcohol injection because it is hard to put an intercooler in a Seven. As scannon said it can be done. There a lot of Focuses (Foci?) with superchargers or turbos. I think packaging and intercooler makes people people leery about using in a 7. The Mazda 1600 and 1800 engines are very robust, especially the 1800, but the thing that makes them especially nice for turbo/supercharged applications is they all come with piston squirters....nozzles that spray oil on the underside of the piston for cooling. The Flyin Miata guys can tell you way more than I know about Turbo Miatas. These squirters can be added by a machine shop to other engines, but they come on Zetec SVT blocks. So if you were building a boosted Zetec, it would be ideal to start with a SVT block (with aftermarket low compression pistons and hd rods). I don't think this setup gives up much to the Miata engines for a boosted application. Funny I just moved one of each across the garage this morning and I can tell you which one weighs more. With 15" DOT tires and the stock fifth, you are still probably going to be a little tall for maximum top speed with 200 hp at 7000, even with the 3.92. The HP you are dealing with is not very different from what we have in our restricted Zetec SCCA EP cars. We do over 125 on longer tracks with a cage almost as big as the car.
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Here's the chart and a graph also. Note the nice short drops especially in the higher gears on the 6 speed. The final result at max speed is however the same as your current rear end with the standard T-9 in fourth (both are 1-1 there). You'd just be able to get there faster with the six speed. On a track only car, you could probably accomplish the same thing with a Quaife Rocket. I spoke with Dick Brink about the turbo Zetec when I was at his place a couple months ago and it seemed to be on the back burner, but you should check with him. He was making progress on the the Duratec. combogear.pdf
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If you are going to use fifth, even a .87 fifth with 15" DOT tires you probably need a 4.11 with a Zetec for maximum speed. None of the factory Sierra rears I think came with anything below a 3.92. Raceline has sold a 4.11 and some other lower ratios, but right now they are out and looking for another supplier to manufacture them. A group buy would certainly help them. If you have your tire diameter I'd be glad to run the numbers on for you for your actual current combo or an alternate. I'd see where the dyno says your power peak is and be sure you are optimized. Aero tweaks here and there will certainly help, but it would be good to get input from other people on this board to see what 140mph takes. I would think its probably over 250 hp which is almost out of reach for a streetable NA Zetec (TurboFocus1 is the expert on that), but a moderate build for a Duratec. All other things being equal, about 35+ hp more and 35 pounds less weight for a Duratec vs Zetec.
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For maximum speed you want to be able be at the power peak of your engine at what the maximum speed for the car is. I think 202 hp at the crank is going to push a Caterham to about 130 mph or so. I suspect the hp peak for this engine is about 7000 rpm, although the dyno will tell the real story. This calculation shows that in fourth with a 3.62 and a 185/70-13 (or any 1815 mm tire), you are about optimized. If the power peak is above or below 7000, you could benefit from a change in gearing to be at your max hp when everything equalizes (hp vs drag). The bad thing about using this combination on the track (3.62 with the stock T-9 gearset) is you have to use second at some tracks.....and the gap from second to third on a standard (non BGH or Quaife) T-9 is big. The drop from third to fourth also hurts because the drop occurs at at a higher speed with the 3.62 and hurts acceleration getting to the top speed. catgearing.pdf
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This is the factory 8 gallon setup. I think they were done by ATL in the UK, but ATL in the US now has the Cad drawings to do replacements.
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I have been concerned about Ethanol in fuel also, but ATL states that anything up to E85 has no effect on the life of the foam in their cells. They do make a different foam for pure alcohol racing fuel, but do not recommend it for anything other than that application. I'm still skeptical, but they insist this is the case. Based on 30 years for using fuel cells, with standard gasoline the foam does deteriorate over time....foam should be replaced every few years. In competition applications the bad thing is ......it's not hard to have degraded foam result in detonation and engine damage because the fuel filter and injectors are plugged with foam sludge, causing a lean condition. Also, the ATL bladders that came from Caterham (and most other flexible cells) seem to start leaking at about 10 years. They also have some internal hoses that deteriorate, so the bladder itself probably needs to be replaced every other time you replace the foam. The 8 gallon cell in the factory style can is a lot easier to deal with from a space standpoint, but in any case you can't just install and forget for ten or fifteen years like a galvanized tank. You have to budget over the life of the car, probably 200 dollars a year over a Caterham without a cell, and if you purchase a car try to reasonably determine when the foam was last serviced. If not, the prudent thing is to replace it.
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Craig Mitchell at ATL sold me an 8 gallon replacement bladder a couple years ago. They have my cad drawings. It fit in the aluminum can that came in the car from Caterham. PM me if you need additional information.
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The Boxster is a very well balanced car, so unless you are going to drive a lot in really bad weather, I don't think is imperative.....and in an older car maybe not as easy to live with. The PSM in my Cayenne is throwing errors right now and based on the download it looks like I am going to have to buy a new steering angle sensor and I'm afraid to ask what that costs. I will say 4wd and PSM was amazing in the snow however the last couple winters.....but I am afraid I am about to pay the price.
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I went to a screening of "Senna" last night. I believe the general opening is tomorrow in most cites. I would encourage everyone to consider seeing it. It is at its heart very much a racing movie, with lots of incredible footage (some of it disturbing). It is also very much a character study, and I believe even a non racing person can appreciate the people he touched and his love and commitment to his country of Brazil.
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There is a core yard here that had a bunch of SVT's at one time. I'll try to check there next week. Might also want to check with chris@topspeedperformance.net and william@c-f-m.com Sorry for the delay reply we were racing in Colorado.
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Yes I should have posted the link thanks. Most everything can be looked up and ordered online and it works pretty well....you only have to call about special order items like ZX-3 and SVT cam followers....but they are willing to do that too. If the spark plug cover is discontinued I might know where some used ones are. Maybe functional but a little weathered.
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You might want to try Tousley Ford, White Bear Lake Minnesota 800-328-9552 They do a big mail order businees, are knowledgeable and are usually 40% less than my local Ford dealer. Steve in parts drives an SVT Focus and is active on the Focus Forums.
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You have to decide if you want to pull the wiring harness out of a 10 year old econocar with all its switches and relays and transplant it. There was a reset button added to mine that the previous owner didn't seem to know what it did. Maybe your freind knows or you can copy that installation. After 10-12 years in these race cars they are becoming problematic, but that is a pretty harsh environment. Chip Bond (GT Classics) and Jeff Sloan (British Auto Speicalits) built most of EP cars, if there was build information they would have it. They were mostly ZX-2 based, not ZX-3 however, but a ZX-3 should be less complicated because of the fixed cam timing.
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This is all very correct. I get a little more HP than this with a stock manifold Zetec but not that much. Manifold is limited by the throttle body size but much more so by the lenght of the individual intake runners (about 17 inches). What you want for higher RPM apllications is more plenum and less runner. (Which is what the Ford Racing and SVT manifolds have) Getting the cam timing correct to match what the manifold wants or can do is makes quite a difference. Like 14 hp from having the cams timed straight up in my case. I just converted one of these cars from the orginal ECU. I saw three options: Option 1 stay with the factory ECU. My wiring harness was kind of a mess and I wanted something more modern and tuneable, although SCT (and maybe some others) make a unit that lets you tune the factory ECU. You can do a little bit of tuning with a variable fuel pressure regulator also, but this will only affect WOT if the engine has not faulted to open loop. Option 2 use of of the "niche" ECU's that have been used with these cars. Emerald, Pectel and MBE (think I got all that right) These mostly use all factory sensors. There are some prefabricated harnesses available.....Dick Brink had one with a Pectel T2 for sale at one time. Pectel is the spec ECU for FF2000 Zetecs. Apexspeed is a good source of that information. I have a file for a Pectel done with a stock manifold and TPS. Biggest problem I saw with this route is the tuning software is not that modern and getting a replacement unit or repair in case of a failure was not that easy. Third option is go with a modern mainsteam ECU. Motec, Haltec, Electromotive, etc. This is what I did and required fabrication of a wiring harness and builing a file from scratch. I did it with a Haltec so I could use the factory crank sensor, although I had quite a bit of experience with Electromotive. You could use the crank pickup with Motec also, but their units are far more expensive. Also if you go much over 150 hp you will need to increease the fuel pressure or change the injectors in the stock manifold. The Focus ones are only about 18-19 pounds. Hope this helps.
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New Hoosier radial slicks http://www.hoosiertire.com/pdfs/radial43542_bull.pdf
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Jim, I should be able to make TWS. I have to resolve the oil control problem I had at TMS...and the broken clutch disk. Part of the new car development I guess. After all I said about old tires....I did run several laps last weekend on 5 year old tires with probably a dozen heat cycles. They came off the car you have now. They were a gift from Larry. Probably shouldn't have trusted them on a high speed track like this. Unfortunately I wasn't any faster on new ones. Sorry to hijack. You'd think we have telephones in Texas. [/url]
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32 heat cycles is forever on bias slicks. I think for most people 6-10 cycles is normal for club racers in production car. As someone said ...it's a combination of heat cycles and age. The way they are kept affects the aging also. Bagging them in a cool place (not freezing)helps. In a hot trailer might be the the worst way. Hoosier is coming out with a new 13" radial slick. They had hoped to have it out by Memorial day. I looked at the specs...and put one of the test batch side by side with one of my bias slicks. They are taller than the Goodyear slicks and quite a bit taller then the Hoosier bias slicks. They will need lots of negative camber. Hoosier has the specs on both radial 13" size slicks posted. The person who worked with Hoosier testing the 13" radials and ran the 15's at the runoffs last year thought they were consistent through a 30 minute race and would go more heat cycles before they dropped off a lot. The are also more expensive, so the end cost may be similar, even given the extended life.
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My feeling is you have to remember is when you lower the front of the car with the spring perches, you can adjust the toe and camber back to your previous settings, but you have also changed the roll center and probably effective camber gain. You lower the front too much (lower A frames pointing up) and I feel like you can very easily have a roll center below the ground. I was told once by someone who should know that a low roll center helped front engine cars turn in. Taken to an extreme it a very low roll center can't be good for the overall handling of the car however. The only calculations I've ever done it just to determine the motion ratio of the supension. Has anyone done any calculations of the front geometry and roll center at various heights? Thanks
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The other suggestions are good but if you want to invest in a dedicated tool to do Weatherpack/Metripack/open barrel connectors this is a good tool at a reasonable price. At least a lot less than a hundred bucks. http://www.bmotorsports.com/shop/product_info.php/cPath/111_112_170/products_id/362 I've used the posi-lock connectors also and they work well.
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dallasdude replied to Ruadhd2's topic in Cars For Sale
I got the pictures late last night. Detail even down to things like the pedal assemblys is amazing. Yes unless this guy is incredibly fast as well as being a perfectionist, thousands of hours is absolutely right. If he built it to sell, after materials he has to be getting way less than minimum wage. Perfect used or new rotor housings are what you want if you are building a preformance rotary with creamic apex seals. Ceramic seals are expensive and a rotor housing with pits in the surface can wear them quickly. Otherwise they last forever. The engine is this car will probalby last for many miles on the street and produces more than enough power as is. It could be converted to a 13B with new intake and exhaust if someone wanted to. I was mostly curious why he started with a 12A instead of a 13B when they are both plentiful used. Almost all the 13B parts (including housings) are still available. Rotarys are great for a track car. The only thing that ever normally needs replacement is the apex seals....and if you use ceramic ones you replace them once and you're done for then on. If this car wasn't so far away I'd be there tomorrow. Still trying to talk myself into it. -
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dallasdude replied to Ruadhd2's topic in Cars For Sale
It is interesting he built it with a 12A instead of a 13B rotary. I think 12A's were last produced in 1984. The rotor housings are no longer available from Mazda, and there was no factory fuel injection so it would be harder in fabricate one. For track use a 12A is capable of close to 200hp at 9000 rpm with the right porting and intake. 13B a little more but with more quite a bit more torque due to the larger displacement. In either case you want a heck of a muffler. Some of them use lava rocks. The lister replied to me from e-bay with a promise of more pictures. Looks like a great car. Has to be hundreds of hours in it. Wish it was closer.
