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[BusaNostra]

Good to be true. Just like what the nobel prize fraud dude selling global warming to the public.

 

The lithium ion batteries have anodes that contain an alloy composition that includes a) silicon, b) aluminum, c) transition metal, d) tin, e) indium, and f) a sixth element that contains yttrium, a lanthanide element, an actinide element, or a combination thereof.

 

Both Indium, Yttrium and lanthanoids are rare earth metals. Where do you get those unless you rape the invironment?....add mining aluminum, silicon, tin and other transition metals. Do you think you can afford it?

 

Indium compounds= are considered carcinogens,highly toxic that cause severe organ damage.

Yttrium = exposure to yttrium compounds can cause lung disease in humans.

Lanthanoids = entering the human body due to exposure to various industrial processes can affect metabolic processes--bad for children's growth and development

Actinide = highly radioactive elements - use it as an isotopes and you can build bomb :lol

Lithium-sulfur dioxide batteries contain pressurized sulfur dioxide gas and lithium-thionyl chloride batteries contain liquid thionyl chloride which vaporizes upon exposure to air, both of which are highly toxic & fatal. Lead based and lithium batteries both destructive.

 

Just like the problem in nuclear waste -I'll pay you dump the toxic materials in your states as long it's not

in "my backyard"

 

 

Warren Buffett stunned the market back in September 2008 when he announced that he was investing $250 million in a Chinese electric car company even though he doesn't know anything about electric cars. Nothing but marketing, greed and profits. Money---money, money and more money.

 

It's snake oil.

If you are willing, I will go back with you in horse and buggy.

Edited January 26, 2010 by BusaNostra

[powderbrake]

 

Both Indium, Yttrium and lanthanoids are rare earth metals. Where do you get those unless you rape the invironment?....add mining aluminum, silicon, tin and other transition metals. Do you think you can afford it?

 

Just like the problem in nuclear waste -I'll pay you dump the toxic materials in your states as long it's not

in "my backyard"

 

 

Rape the enviorment? Seems a tad harsh. What are you supposed to do, pick up pieces of the desired element off the ground? Like the steel that comprises the frame of our sevens? We have to mine all elements.

 

We have to grow, mine or manufacture everything, or else we are just cavemen.

 

As to nuclear waste. If I could, I'd rent out my backyard to store casks of nuclear waste.

 

While I am no fan of the electric car, it will come, and the battery technology, and the disposal methods and the power distribution grid will all be developed. In the meantime, I agree with you, my sports car should be loud and smell of petroleum.

[Silk]

in its "current" configuration

 

 

Clever, Mazda, very clever.

[soareyes]

 

Both Indium, Yttrium and lanthanoids are rare earth metals. Where do you get those unless you rape the invironment?....add mining aluminum, silicon, tin and other transition metals. Do you think you can afford it?

 

Indium compounds= are considered carcinogens,highly toxic that cause severe organ damage.

Yttrium = exposure to yttrium compounds can cause lung disease in humans.

Lanthanoids = entering the human body due to exposure to various industrial processes can affect metabolic processes--bad for children's growth and development

Actinide = highly radioactive elements - use it as an isotopes and you can build bomb :lol

Lithium-sulfur dioxide batteries contain pressurized sulfur dioxide gas and lithium-thionyl chloride batteries contain liquid thionyl chloride which vaporizes upon exposure to air, both of which are highly toxic & fatal. Lead based and lithium batteries both destructive.

 

Warren Buffett stunned the market back in September 2008 when he announced that he was investing $250 million in a Chinese electric car company even though he doesn't know anything about electric cars. Nothing but marketing, greed and profits. Money---money, money and more money.

 

It's snake oil.

If you are willing, I will go back with you in horse and buggy.

 

 

I do think you are exaggerating a bit. I'm not a chemist, but as an example, a quick check of Yttrium shows that it fairly common element in soil, water, and all living things including us. It has many manufacturing uses already in LEDs, camera lenses, and even in the electrodes of spark plugs and in car exhaust O2 sensors. So every one of us is using products with it already, and it doesn't look like it is toxic to the consumer in the quantities we are talking about.

 

I haven't seen it anywhere, but it would be interesting to see a comparison of the toxicity of a lithium ion battery to a gallon of gas or a barrel of oil.

 

You said Warren Buffett doesn't know anything about electric cars, and this is totally untrue. I've followed Buffett for years and he never, never invests in anything he doesn't understand.

 

"Nothing but marketing, greed and profits. Money---money, money and more money." You were referring to the oil industry, right?

[soareyes]

BusaNostra has managed to awaken my inner-Luddite, so I'm getting rid of my electric car and buying one of these:

 

http://www.blogcdn.com/green.autoblog.com/media/2010/01/6a00e0099229e88833012876d49fb3970c-500wi.jpg

 

It's a wood powered car! No, not ethanol from wood fermentation, but straight wood. Apparently they were popular conversions after WWII when gas was scarce. So now we can talk about miles per cord instead of miles per gallon. Go 100 miles then chop down a tree for another 100! Unfortunately I live in the desert and there aren't many trees

 

Full story here: http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/01/wood-gas-cars.html

Edited January 27, 2010 by soareyes
added link

[slngsht]

all we need is some unobtainium

[Hank]

God I love working at a nuke plant. I wish it was more efficient, however. We generate 3000 MWt but after losses it's 1000 MW. I guess the good lord don't want us to have all the fun. FYI, all of our spent fuel since 1987 rests on the back 40 in a few storage casks. No need for Yucca Mountain as of yet.

[supersportsp]

Here is my argument for all the non-believers in global warming/climate change and how it applies to the auto industry. Who cares if we are causing global warming with our CO2 emissions. What is indisputable is that fossil fuel emissions are bad for us and bad for our surroundings.

 

Think of earth as your garage with the door closed. Think of fossil fuel emissions as your '73 Eldo idling inside. Think of you as you sitting in the '79 Eldo. At some point, you are going to get sleepy and take a permanent nap. I don't think anyone can argue with that logic.

 

The earth is a sealed system. Our pollutants don't just jettison off out into space. We have a huge garage with some absorptive attributes (ocean/trees), but at some point that '73 Eldo is going to fill the place up and we are all going to take a nap.

[andrew7]

In ancient Greece it was 28 years before said nap now its 66.58 years.

 

Drive your electric, I'll use your share. I cook with gas.

[yellowss7]

I hope you figure out a way to fix Global Warming quickly, because as soon as it warms up a bit, I'm going to be Burning up a lot of Sunoco 100 octane GT Race fuel. :jester::jester::jester:

 

Tom

[supersportsp]

Ignorance is bliss...

[MHKflyer52]

I hope you figure out a way to fix Global Warming quickly, because as soon as it warms up a bit, I'm going to be Burning up a lot of Sunoco 100 octane GT Race fuel. :jester::jester::jester:

 

Tom

 

I am with Tom on that and warmer weather means more driving time for me...:rofl:....that is one of the reasons I live in Southern California average temp is 73 degrees and sunny 325 days out of a year.

[BusaNostra]

Ignorance is bliss...

 

Yep, means a crystal ball.

 

...if you are not capable understanding science and believing the myth of the fraud global warming, just leave it to the Gypsy.

...it's more than the CO behind your close garage door.

Edited January 28, 2010 by BusaNostra

[gjslutz]

I think I'll run out and send Gore some money for carbon credits. I can apply them to building a new earth gyro to fix the natural cycle the earth is in now, as it wobbles on its axes.

[supersportsp]

...if you are not capable understanding science and believing the myth of the fraud global warming, just leave it to the Gypsy.

 

I agree with you on this. The myth that global warming is a fraud needs to be put to rest.

[andrew7]

Good news guys, you won't have to worry about roasting feet anymore. Although I have to add a heater and full top.

 

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/11/ipcc-scientist-global-cooling-headed-our-way-for-the-next-30-years/

 

I'm confused do I sell my Seven and buy a boat or a Sno-cat. Maybe an Icebreaker and I got it both covered.

[powderbrake]

I'm so happy that we have global warming. I hate snow and ice, and without global warming we would still be squashed and freezing under the galciers from the last ice age. 10,000 years ago there were no cars, maybe it was the Mammoth flatulence that warmed things up.

[drew...]

Sooooo- if over a period of time we experience a 1400% increase in temperature is that cause to believe in global warming or climate change?

 

 

 

Started at -7 this morning with an astronomical increase to +7 (F)

[yellowss7]

Have you noticed that Al Bore has gone underground lately? Do you think he is hibernating and waiting for it to warm up before he sticks his head up again?

 

:deadhorse: Tom

[bsimon]

Have you noticed that Al Bore has gone underground lately?

 

It seems that Al has a new ally in the great fight against global warming.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8487030.stm

 

They are in talks right now and cannot be reached for further comment.