Croc Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 (edited) Found on blatchat - very good watching. I would love to drive as well as he can! Rather than embed the video, you get a bigger screen to watch if you click through to the site. The true speed is the digital readout - ignore the dial. http://bridgetogantry.com/2/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=222:supercar-vs-simplecar-part-ii&catid=56:ring-reviews&Itemid=300091 Edited May 3, 2011 by Croc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTTTCAR Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Can you imagine what another 100ft/lbs of torque would do to that incredible little car. My God!! The Porsche would be in his mirror on the first straight and gone. Jeez my knuckles are white and i better take another blood pressure pill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scannon Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Great driving, I assume from the graphics the car is rented. It also looked like he had only a three point seat belt, not a harness. I don't know what the accuracy of that G-meter is but I saw a momentary 2.01 G left turn and a couple of sustained 1.38 G right turns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoPho Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Can you imagine what another 100ft/lbs of torque would do to that incredible little car. My God!! The Porsche would be in his mirror on the first straight and gone. Jeez my knuckles are white and i better take another blood pressure pill. You mean like this? Better take two pills . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskossie Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Very smooth driving in the 175 CSR -- compared to the R500 driver, who is opposite-lock and almost losing it a couple of times. Pass the blood-pressure pills! According to the Blatchat thread, the smooth driver in the CSR 175 is Dale Lomas, who is a long-time driving instructor and demonstrator at the 'Ring. It shows. He obviously knows that long track very well. It would be fun to see what he could do in the R500 Superlight...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoPho Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Smooth is boring :devil: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTTTCAR Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 If you don't find the edge how are you going to know where it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1Steve Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 (edited) Maybe these videos show that the CSR, with it's " chassis enhancements" as Caterham's web site states are working. The R500 looks faster, while the CSR looks much more settled down and in control. I think both cars were very well driven. And are they both running on the same tires and powerplant ?? Good videos all the same .. Edited May 4, 2011 by S1Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted May 4, 2011 Author Share Posted May 4, 2011 Maybe these videos show that the CSR, with it's " chassis enhancements" as Caterham's web site states are working. The R500 looks faster, while the CSR looks much more settled down and in control. I think both cars were very well driven. And are they both running on the same tires and powerplant ?? Good videos all the same .. The CSR 175 is not the same powerplant as the R500. It is a fairly tame duratec of supposedly 175 FWHP. It is not well known but you can order the CSR chassis with any range of engine. So it would be well down on a R500 engine of say 260 FWHP. Given the elevation changes of the circuit I think the advantges of IRS may be coming into play against a de dion R500. There are so many other unknown variables that influence comparability of times: - warmth of tires (function of weather) - compound of tires - width of tires - LSD or not - quality of the individual driver - gearing - etc I was always taught that the fastest laps look the smoothest and generally do not give the sense of being fast. Low 8 minutes at Nurburgring is really fast. It may not be as exciting to look at but it is impressive to learn from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoPho Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Same guy in the 175 but view from a chase car which is a fully prepped Evo 8 with nearly 400hp caterham csr175 chase on Vimeo . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersportsp Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Same guy in the 175 but view from a chase car which is a fully prepped Evo 8 with nearly 400hp. Great demonstration of the fantastic aero handicap we have. The Evo struggles to keep up at anything below 80 mph, then basically has to coast behind the Seven at anything above 90 mph. The proverbial brick wall lies somewhere around 85 it would appear. It would be interesting to see how much higher up you could move the wall with an aero screen, half doors and a tonneau cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskossie Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I am really impressed with how smooth and controlled Dale Lomas looks, from front or rear... every corner set up just right, every transition smooth, calculated, and controlled, using every bit of the road. Oh, to spend one's working days at the 'ring...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskossie Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 An R500 with aero screen, half doors, tonneau, and Dale Lomas at the wheel would leave the Evo for dead, I'm thinking. In 2000, Robert Nearn lapped the Ring at 7:55 in a Caterham R500 (I assume with VX powerplant). In the same year, Horst von Sauma lapped at 7:56, in a Porsche 911 Turbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimrankin Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 The more I watch the videos (well, the ones where the driver really seems to have it together) the more I realize just how much better they are at getting everything out of the cars. When I was pushing 25 I had slower cars but was faster than I am now, pushing 65 years old in faster cars. Then, four wheel drifts were where I wanted to be, now they just warn me I'm pushing too hard for my reaction times. LOL. Still crazy fun and now I can even replace tires BEFORE they cord. Thanks for posting the Videos!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoPho Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Here is again, this time in an R300 and the video is even better Here is the accompanying ARTICLE with photos . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBOLT Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 MoPho, Drove home in my minivan, with the video soundtrack playing. Made the ride home way more fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobone Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 I've watched a lot of Ring videos, but he makes it look like everyone is standing still! 8.07 is a very good time. Big brass ones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTTTCAR Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 IT'S FAST 7:55Caterham R500 SuperlightRobert Nearn'EVO' magazine (07/2000)7:55Ferrari F430 F1Horst von SaurmaSport Auto (01/2006)7:56Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06Dave Hillcrossedflags.com[48]7:56Porsche 911 TurboHorst von SaurmaSport Auto (06/2000)7:56Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale f1Horst von SaurmaSport Auto (02/2004), Sport tires[citation needed]7:56.773Honda NSX-R NA2Motoharu KurosawaBest Motoring video "Carrera Invasion",20027:59Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51Dave HillGeneral Motors conducted test[citation needed]7:59Cadillac CTS-V (2009)John Heinricy9 May 2008General Motors conducted test,[49] video confirmed[50]7:59Porsche 911 Carrera SWalter Röhrl'Wheels' magazine (06/2004), PASM setting "Performance"[citation needed]7:59Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 V-SpecDirk Schoysman1996Best Motoring - Time Attack / Autocar magazine 97, stock[citation needed][51]7:59Dodge Viper SRT-10November 2005Motor Trend[citation needed]8:01Nissan Skyline GT-R R33Motoharu KurosawaBest Motoring - Video Special DVD Series, Prototype (weight/horsepower different from production car)[citation needed]8:02Mercedes CLK 63 AMG - Black SeriesAutobild (07/2007)8:02Aston Martin DBSHorst von SaurmaSport Auto [52]8:03Aston Martin V8 Vantage (2005)Horst von SaurmaSport Auto (10/2005)8:03Porsche 911 GT3Horst von SaurmaSport Auto (08/1999)8:03Honda NSX-R (NA1)Motoharu KurosawaFM3 (02/2011)8:04Audi R8 V8Sport Auto (07/2007)[53]8:04Porsche Cayman SWalter RöhrlSport Auto, 19 inch wheels, ceramic brakes.[citation needed]8:05BMW M3 E92Horst von SaurmaSport Auto (12/2007)[54]8:06Subaru WRX STi Spec-CMotoharu KurosawaBest Motoring Video 'NISMO Beast Unleashed'[55]8:07BMW Z8 E52Autobild (06/2001)8:07.97Renault Megane RS TrophyLaurent HurgonJune 17th, 2011www.europeancarnews.com (06/2011), new record for a FWD car.[56]8:09Audi RS4Sport Auto (06/2006)8:09BMW M6 E63Horst von Saurma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitcat Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 (edited) Excellent way to start my morning! Who needs coffee:)! Turning an 8.07 in those conditions is amazing. There was so much slow traffic and he was held up in various places due to it. All those clueless drivers who seemed to have no idea he was closing on them (sorry Mr. 'Vette, sorry Mr. 911). There were a bunch of places where he looked like he was going to get crushed by an unaware driver. And then there was the tow truck stopped on the track, pulling a car out of the woods. No warning, yellow flag, nuttin. Sure wld like to see John Meyers over there in his winged L3 Stalker. Could he break 7:00? Edited June 22, 2011 by Kitcat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scannon Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Here's a video of a 2012 ZR-1 Corvette on the 'Ring. 183 mph on the long straight and a 7.19 time. YouTube - 2012 Corvette ZR1 Takes on Nurburgring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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