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@Vovchandr - do you realize that your job descriptions are also generalizations?  There are many trade jobs available that never result in 7 days full active duty or overseas deployments.  I've known plenty of cops - even detectives - who also took planned vacations and were rarely hauled out of bed by emergencies.  I have no idea why you continue to employ negative stereotypes regarding trades for women UNLESS you believe women should not have the right to choose. 


And WOW - your statement that most women undertake the field of cosmetology as a trade is utterly fantastic.  Cosmetologists are only 1% of the entire skilled trade force, so how do "most" women become one?  Do you also believe that most men living on hillsides in Tennessee are moonshiners?  And that most black men have long johnsons and low IQ's (though the former could possibly be true)?  How about most people who like country music and earn less than $30,000 per year are rednecks?  How about well-placed suburban guys who would prefer to decide what fields women can work in and not - what should we call them?


As I recall, I initiated the scarcity discussion with fact-based comments about a local skilled trade scarcity.  Multiple other members jumped in with their own facts and supportive anecdotes, indicating that the problem is more national than local.  I checked the internet for reliable information regarding the national scope of the problem, and ultimately agreed with the consensus.


I also agree with you, Vovchandr, that if we try to attract women into trades, the campaign will likely yield more men, as well - and that's a good thing, to prevent scarcity and keep goods and services more affordable.  There is currently a bubble in our labor supply chain, and unless we deflate it, cars could become unaffordable because of repair costs, and housing unaffordable because of framing, electric, roofing, plumbing and other costs, and on and on.


I will close with these thee points:  1) Every women (and man) should be free to choose any legal career of their preference in this, the Land of the Free.  2)  For the benefit of the nation, as well as their personal benefit, we should encourage more folks to choose skilled trades. And 3) universities should either graduate fewer students or more qualified skilled tradespeople.

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You're again missing the entire point. 


Yes people are free to chose and you're mad that millenials and young women aren't choosing trades and are trying to persuade them to alter their decisions for the good of the country!! So much for free choice you keep talking about yeah?


I'm trying to explain to you why many trades aren't FREELY chosen by people, many especially by women and I pick specific ones as examples. I never talked about cops as an emergency I just said their shift coverages are 24/7 and new meat doesn't get shift priority over the "good shifts". But that point eludes you. 


My "fantastic statement" about cosmetology comes from what the Internet shows as one of the biggest trades by women. Many you should start a campaign to get men into this field to equal the numbers. Let them choose this career, freely of course, in this free land. I'm sure you can get the percentage up.


Im also not sure what you don't understand about percent numbers. Most women in the trades world are either nurses, designers or cosmetology according to brief internet search. I showed you the pathetic percent of other "manly" trades occupied by women, I also explained to you why that is. Hope your ad campaign will address those concerns that the links above show that they have about those careers. Don't argue with me. Argue with the women themselves and feel free to tell them that their right not to chose those trades is wrong. 


I'm not sure again what your obsession is with black men and now their Johnson's. Again not touching this tangent.


Your closing points if I understand them correctly are as follows 


1) people are free to do whatever they want 

2) for the "health of nation" we need to tell people what they want, and what they want is trades!

3) universities are not free to do whatever they want or what their students want and instead should do what I want in the name of freedom!


I see. Crystal clear. 

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@VovchandrGood grief - persuasion is not the same as coercion. Persuasion is the alternative to coercion.  Since the founding of the Republic, we have fought many wars to preserve that alternative, among other freedoms.  And though I am upset over the economic harm caused to the Republic by these shortages, I cannot characterize myself as mad.  "Madness" is accusing "most" modern women of rushing to cosmetology as a skilled trade, as though they cannot master anything more complex.  I, alternately, do not endorse enforcement of any required occupations, as my closing points in the previous post indicated.  Once again, "persuasion" is not "coercion", and is the tool we must use to draw young people to trades and universities to cooperation.  I don't know if persuasion through advertising and other means will work, but if we don't try, failure is guaranteed. 


Vovchandr, I am sorry to report that you either missed or ignored most of my points, including the ironies.  That doesn't make my contentions any less accurate, and in formal debate, major points missed in the initial speeches cannot be taken up in the rebuttals.  Therefore, I need say nothing more, except that you are likely a nice guy in person, and I am through with our little tete-a-tete.

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12 hours ago, Vovchandr said:


Talking generics is always assumptions based on whatever anecdotal data or research one can find. 


I speak from personal experience and the data that I've seen as well as pure facts of typical trade being a more dirty work than typical white collar. 


Everybody's favorite proponent of trades explores them on a show called "dirty jobs"  and explores just how dirty many trades or hands on jobs can get.


Some of these discussion topics just write themselves. 

I understand that despite my serving in the military and working blue collar side-by-side on equal footing or for women my entire working life, if I want to know anything about being a tradeswoman, I should take your word for it without question. If I share an opinion differs, I must be too old or deficient in some way?

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Sprinkled throughout the vitriol, biases, agendas, hypocrisy, and offensive remarks, there was some good information and perspectives shared in this thread.  However, at this point, I don’t see anything positive coming from further responses that might inflame the situation, so I’m going to close it and allow everyone to take a deep breath.  

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