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slowdude Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 Awesome time and really appreciate everyone's generosity and kindness. I hope I can repay somehow. Last session on the track and the car finally felt dialed in. Will need new tires for next year. Apologies for the low amount of photos. Next time! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted September 8 Author Share Posted September 8 Some random shots from yesterday 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted September 8 Author Share Posted September 8 The next series of photos was taken by Dom who is a NJMP Drivers Club Member and was briefly around for one of the sessions to take some photos from the stands at the Turn 4/5 area. Paul exiting Turn 4 Vlad in the braking zone for Turn 5 lefthander Jim in the braking zone for Turn 5. You can see how he had loaded the weight onto the front wheels ready for turn in. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted September 8 Author Share Posted September 8 Charles chasing a Formula Ford in his 420R Vlad starting to exit Turn 5. Notice his left front wing has been removed. It broke in a previous session and was removed timely to protect the wing from damage. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted September 8 Author Share Posted September 8 We had a ton of quality time on Saturday. Due to a combined red/white group we ended up with 30 minutes sessions with a maximum of 2.5 hours driving time, which is a lot. Des (blue early model Caterham) was on his first exploration into driving cars on track. The NJMP Drivers Club program has an introductory program which is excellent for having a gentle progressive development into you being able to drive on track. Initially it is green group paced sessions (follow the instructor in a pace car) plus classroom. It keeps the speeds down while you learn the basics. This is what Des launched into on Friday. By end of first session Saturday he was keeping up so was graduated into the sevens group with a "mentor" - me. The two of us did a follow the leader drill. He would follow me then we would swap so I could see what he was doing and provide feedback on lines after the session. The Thunderbolt track is not an easy track. It is technical. It requires a decent amount of time in seat here to understand some of its unusual characteristics. Below Des is doing a follow of me, with Jim coming up behind to pass both of us. Later we have swapped for Des to lead and set pace, while Blake has come up behind and is about to pass both of us in the next sequence of corners (and no Blake you should not have dived down the inside of Des on Turn 12 - give the guy some learning room!). The idea is to control speed to a consistent pace and learn the lines and braking points. I recommend sticking the car in one gear to remove a variable that is a distraction from the more critical item - lines and, in a passing group, track awareness of what is happening around you - other cars, flags, ground hogs, weather, Simon, etc. Speed naturally flows from getting the lines right. Then you re-introduce the gear change once you have a comfort level. The learning curve is very steep but we want to keep you AND the car safe. There is a lot to learn. You do not need a lot of horsepower to do this. Des' early model Caterham with its cross flow engine has all of 95hp at the rear wheels, yet was was punting along quite quickly as we have seen with other crossflows in the past. Limit braking, keep the momentum and they are very quickly little cars even with minimal horsepower. Perfect car to learn in as lower hp cars are MUCH easier to drive quickly around a track than high hp cars. He still went off at Turn 3 and at the Devil (thats ok - everyone goes off there eventually - more than once, twice,...). Simon was borrowing Tom's cars since his was terminally out of action. I can tell by the black helmet it is Simon. Car is nicely loaded up on suspension through the very fast Turn 4 right hand sweeper. Paul looking lonely in Turn 4. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted September 8 Author Share Posted September 8 Charlie exiting Turn 4 with the characteristic loaded up suspension in a high speed corner. Just wish he would let the car track out left more... ....like I do so as to reduce the risk of a rear end snapping out under load as you add more speed. Des and I still playing follow the leader drill in Turn 5. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted September 8 Author Share Posted September 8 A sequence of how to do Turn 5 by Simon in Tom's Caterham. Lots of favorable camber. Slightly early turn in to get your left front into that dip between the curb/kerb and the track and then push through with throttle. Crisp apex and power out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBuff Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 2 minutes ago, Croc said: Charlie exiting Turn 4 with the characteristic loaded up suspension in a high speed corner. Just wish he would let the car track out left more... Must have been an earlier session. I could have sworn the latter runs were mistake free ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted September 8 Author Share Posted September 8 Or you can miss the apex. Once, twice....? Oh its ok...just a late apex from Charlie. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted September 8 Author Share Posted September 8 The pro photographer (Mikey) group photo will be available in 1-2 weeks - I know he is pretty busy right now. He also went to Turn 4/5 to take photos and I will share those ocne I have them. I can provide full resolution photos of both Dom and Mikey's photos if you want - just let me know. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBuff Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 2 hours ago, Croc said: Oh its ok...just a late apex from Charlie. I was going to say “camera distortion” but that photo is pretty hard to argue with. I was getting better, mostly thanks to you and the other guys. Thanks again to everyone for being so generous with their time and knowledge. Note: I think I did hit the apex once or twice. (Working on linking the video ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vovchandr Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 48 minutes ago, CBuff said: I was going to say “camera distortion” but that photo is pretty hard to argue with. I was getting better, mostly thanks to you and the other guys. Thanks again to everyone for being so generous with their time and knowledge. Note: I think I did hit the apex once or twice. (Working on linking the video ) That's quite a nifty piece of software! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowdude Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 1 hour ago, CBuff said: I was going to say “camera distortion” but that photo is pretty hard to argue with. I was getting better, mostly thanks to you and the other guys. Thanks again to everyone for being so generous with their time and knowledge. Note: I think I did hit the apex once or twice. (Working on linking the video ) That is a great line dude. Really well done. Vlad you were looking good out there too! Watching Tom, Simon and croc drive was like having an early morning coffee in the PNW by a river. You sit and watch in awe at how smooth moving objects can be. Definitely a master class in technique. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted September 8 Author Share Posted September 8 1 hour ago, slowdude said: Watching Tom, Simon and croc drive was like having an early morning coffee in the PNW by a river. You sit and watch in awe at how smooth moving objects can be. Definitely a master class in technique. Oh lordy! If you saw me on Thursday frantically working the wheel of the Mustang or BMW as they refused to behave you would have had a very different statement of my driving. 1 hour ago, Vovchandr said: That's quite a nifty piece of software! Charlie should chime in but he is using a Racebox Mini S which mounts on the car, is activated by a phone app to record GPS and G data. Charlie then sucks it into Racechrono phone app for analysis. I particularly liked the big blue arrow so he knows which way to drive. I like Racechrono - first started using their logging products 12 years ago. I use the RaceBox Mini S but export the data into RaceRender to combine with forward/rear looking video. RaceRender can then create video overlays and track map. Its a matter of what style of analysis you are most able to derive benefit from. A lot of my driving actions are unconscious reactions now and I prefer in car video to see what I am doing where. A top down map style of analysis helps you understand when you have a late apex for example. 2 hours ago, CBuff said: I never said you missed the apex there - just said it was late. At least you are starting to track out more fully to the left on turn 4. Needs to be full width of track as you add speed like getting it from the current 85mph corner speed to 100mph+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBuff Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 Race chrono does overlay video. I just have to sit down and sort thru with the go pro and download those files. I think it can have up to three cameras. im trying to avoid too much ragging from the amount of crap I have bolted onto my car. I have more information coming in at the moment than I can process. But for me it’s the fun part. And the fact that starting from basically scratch small changes based on yours and others feedback translate into big improvements. Which makes it all the more fun. As with most things as I get better things improvements are harder to attain. Knocking off almost 10 seconds in two days is a great reward. The next 10 seconds will take a lot longer to shave off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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