yellowss7 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Sitting here watching the snow pile up. 15-20 inches total expected. We decided to host a Snowed In party for the neighborhood. Should be a long night. Hope the power stays on and the Booze holds out. :party: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slomove Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 (edited) Hey, good for you....100 years ago it might have been 22 inches :jester: I will refrain from mentioning that it is a balmy 75 here in SoCal. I am not a climatologist (just an EE) but tend to believe (weighing the credibility of the suppliers of various opinions) that this warming is happening and will have dire consequences (maybe or maybe not in PA or CA). I don't care too much if the trend is eventually caused by humans but I think there is little doubt the speed of change is severely accelerated by us. On the other hand I am a realist and I have no doubt that humankind is shortsighted enough to not do anything effective about it. There will always be national or local interest in the way not mentioning the opinion (and politician) buying power of major industry sectors. And people with little education just reject concepts that affect them negatively and are complicated, expensive or seem impossible to fix. The unpleasant thing is that we as (moderately) wealthy folks will somehow get away with it while there are really poor suckers around the world who can't. O well, maybe Florida will slowly drown, too but I don't like Florida anyway. So, given my firm belief that the world's politicians at best may slow down the mess, I enjoy the ride in the meantime. If I don't burn the gas, the Chinese surely will. I suppose there will still be enough for my lifetime. That may sound cynical and I honestly wish some people out there would have more balls to fix it. But what else would you expect from somebody who lives in California? :cooldude: Gert Edited December 20, 2009 by slomove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondo Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 I have to agree for no other reason than the places that will be impacted most will not affect the majority of us. Heck, China & Russia might end up with better weather... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjslutz Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 And then: http://www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/article.cfm?id=776 http://ccbn213.wordpress.com/2009/12/09/yes-virginia-there-are-climatic-earth-cycles/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitcat Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 I am with you Gert, tho I do recognize that it is controversial. For instance, Sarah P has equated global warming with gravity. And many of this site's good people see it differently, per previous posts on this topic. Somehow, what should be a matter of science has been transformed into a political and cultural dispute. Maybe that makes the problem easier to understand? I do hope we are wrong and they can all someday say "we told you so." At this point, unfortunately,that doesn't seem likely to me. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off Road SHO Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 You know, scientists still need that paycheck also so if their company or university needs money to pay the scientists, and the companies or universities get their money from the democratic congress and president, they had better tow the line. This whole global warming would be easier to believe if it was funded by someone who didn't have anything to gain or lose by the outcome of the research. Without a doubt, no matter who causes a problem, whether it be global warming or giraffes with broken legs from stepping in gopher holes in the plains of the Serengetti, the solution is always for the American taxpayer to pay for. You can bet that China will not pay one dime; but none of the "climatologists" will have the balls to call them out on it. It's a lot easier to jump on a Bamawagon than to question. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsimon Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Before supporting or refuting any hypothesis deemed to be "scientific", one should probably read this and have a basic understanding of these. :deadhorse: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusaNostra Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Listen to Al --- not Navarro though, the other AL. Al said, the bottom of the earth is about a few million degrees. Al always said -- "I think" & "Maybe" Yep! that's Gore science! He's preventing you to drive your cloNE 7 -- Al is A cLOWN ...not Navarro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowss7 Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share Posted December 20, 2009 Hey, good for you....100 years ago it might have been 22 inches :jester:Gert Well, the totals in and guess what, it was 23.5 inches. Those knuckleheads can't even give and accurate current forcast, let alone predict the future. It's all based on "Models" and they are only as good as the data they start with. :willy_nilly::willy_nilly::willy_nilly: Now back to shoveling. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderbrake Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 It's amusing that people will discuss the climate changes within their lifetime, when the climate cycles are 100,000 years long. As to global warming, I say Hooray!! If it wasn't for the warming, we couldn't drive our Se7ens because we would be under 1000 feet of snow and ice, from the last Ice Age. How come global warming is never welcomed for longer growing seasons for the farmers? Here is something regarding periodicity and orbits and sunspots and stuff that the "drive by media" never discusses. Lots of interesting links on his pages. http://www.mikechurch.com/joomla/kingdude-library/global-cooling-for-dummies-pt.-i.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off Road SHO Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Before supporting or refuting any hypothesis deemed to be "scientific", one should probably read this and have a basic understanding of these. :deadhorse: Bob, Thanks for posting those links. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDrye Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 And then: http://www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/article.cfm?id=776 http://ccbn213.wordpress.com/2009/12/09/yes-virginia-there-are-climatic-earth-cycles/ When Al Gore explains how he selects which stations he uses to record temperatures I'll be willing to listen. Until then I'll just keep on bragging about the increase of the size of my carbon footprint. Note: Some days I drive a Prius to work and some days I drive an 8 mpg LT1 powered El Camino. It's my decision not the governments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdca7 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Many of the things we do have a significant negative effect on the environment. I try to balance my racing habit by commuting on my bike, but with towing a trailer to tracks 200-250 miles from home, I'm having to put a lot of miles on the bike! Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjslutz Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Jerry, Great read on the links. I had read much about this prior, but this add much. I have sent this on to many to wake them up. Too many are drinking from the wrong cup. My thoughts anyways. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slomove Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Well, the discussion kind of confirms my view that we are not going to solve the problem, no matter if an act of god or mankind. What bothers me in the public discussion in general and also here that although we all should admit we know shit about climate science many people derive very firm opinions from tiny snippets of information, many of them tainted by intentional misinformation or political bias (both ways). And it is quite obvious that some theories, ideas or policies are not rejected based on best available information but rather where it comes from. If it comes from the government it is at least suspicious and probably bad. If it comes from a government who I don't agree with politically, it must be evil, not matter what (also both ways). What I mean is a good faith policy discussion is dead in this country, be it climate change, health care or immigration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusaNostra Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 If you can't synchronize or make your weber works during summer, winter, high or lower altitude, skip Global warming....that's beyond you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondo Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 (edited) I agree with you Slomove.... seems we've lost the art of compromise. It appears many are afraid it looks like they don't have conviction, morals, are weak, etc... (or it will be used by their party's base against them in the primaries). Plus, we have this "team" mentality that says your either with us or against us; and it has to be on all issues. It seems there's not that many moderates anymore... and they now get pummelled from both sides. I've never seen it so bad, kind of started in California with those in the minority holding hostage the State budget. Now those in DC are playing the same game. Heaven forbid they screw up as bad as our State politicians. Wish I had a solution, but don't see one:( Edited December 21, 2009 by Mondo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestTexasS2K Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 I dont believe in Global warming. The dang weather man cant give an accurate forcast to what will happen in the next week. Yet I am expected to believe that a group of scientist can generate a computer model that will predict weather patterns for the next hundred years is laughable in my opinion. I dont have a and climatology degree, but I do have a brain and some common sense. The earth has seen many large variations in global tempatures, many off them occured before the increase in man on earth and our CO2 spewing machines. I guess they will blame that on dinasaur farts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scannon Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 A friend sent me this link on the global warming issue: http://www.kusi.com/home/78477082.html?video=pop&t=a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderbrake Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 (edited) Coleman's talk is terriffic. he agrees with me, how convenient. Since the ALGORE believers don't believe that sunspot activity has any affect on the climate, and want to deny that it has been colder recently, and can't count well enough to notice there are more polar bears, not fewer, and want to ignore the climate cycles, the link won't have any impact on them. Lets drill, baby drill. Strip mine the Earth, we'll do the other planets later. There is no reason to change our lifestyle, in addition to squashing the recovery from the recession, and I for one, will continue to breath out CO2, in spite of it being a "dangerous gas". Edited December 22, 2009 by powderbrake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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