anduril3019 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 This is not meant to be a political discussion, so posting here. I'm interested in hearing peoples thoughts or inside knowledge on how this might affect the specialty, classic, and used car markets in California. For now, the ban is on new car sales, but I could see restrictions on older combustion engines, such as yearly mileage limitations. Specific to special construction vehicles and California's SB100 program, I wonder if this will be targeted and become stricter. I'm building a Locost that will need SB100 to title, but I'm probably a few years away from having it road-worthy. Guess I better get a move-on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MV8 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 IMHO, if there is no course reversal or pull-back, Yes. If it is too late by then, it may be easier to take up residence in a more reasonable location for at least six months, title and register, then transfer when you move back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anduril3019 Posted August 27, 2022 Author Share Posted August 27, 2022 3 hours ago, MV8 said: IMHO, if there is no course reversal or pull-back, Yes. If it is too late by then, it may be easier to take up residence in a more reasonable location for at least six months, title and register, then transfer when you move back. Or not move back... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnifeySpoony Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 IMO there will still be myriad exemptions for industry, the wealthy/connected/powerful, and hopefully SB100 will live on. I don't fear the new vehicle ICE ban much. I fear for when CARB starts going after more "off-road" vehicles. Once they do that, all our legacy ICE track/race cars are at risk. And if that sounds far-fetched, try riding a 2 stroke dirtbike in the state. While track activities and dirtbikes may only make up a tiny fraction of pollutants/greenhouse gases, they will always go for low-hanging fruit without a good lobbying body first... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamScotticus Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 I heard on a news broadcast there is no prohibition from ownig and operating gassers. They just won't be sold as new cars. Lets seee how this goes when the petrol stations dry up 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anduril3019 Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 45 minutes ago, IamScotticus said: I heard on a news broadcast there is no prohibition from ownig and operating gassers. They just won't be sold as new cars. Lets seee how this goes when the petrol stations dry up 😬 It'll be fun to see how the power grid holds up, as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MV8 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 I'm wondering how the environment is going to hold up with all that lithium in everything. I guess a few hundred pounds of lithium will be in each car's battery pack. It is strip mined using diesel and mercury, but I'm sure it will be brought in from our (how do I put this nicely?) "competition" on ships powered by diesel. Once it is here, it can be recycled but as it is now for tesla, many are not and can end up in land fills. Many States ship their trash to other States. New York ships to Alabama. Eventually, I expect EVs will be leased instead of owned so they can ensure recycling and put everyone in a new loan for the latest model every few years, like taking a private bus if you can afford it. I can hear it now "what do you mean I can't buy a new battery?" All plugged into the system and all relying upon it. My god, it will be beautiful! (That was a joke). I think apple phone "repair" shops will be the business model. Hydrogen cells are the way to go but the proprietary lock on that is the exchange fabric that goes into the layers. Otherwise, a hydro cell is very simple and they've been around a long time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamScotticus Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, MV8 said: I'm sure it will be brought in from our (how do I put this nicely?) "competition" on ships powered by diesel. They will ban those too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastg Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 I think the ban is not going to start until 2035, so we have a while. I think the battery landscape will be very different, maybe hydrogen fuel cells will be dominant. Time will tell. Graham 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex-Ks1 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 This is your government at work , a collection of nitwits and idiots who know nothing about electric vehicles or the power grid . Just wait till one of these clowns tries to sell or buy a older gas powered car ,, the law will hit the trash bucket real fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex-Ks1 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 I build electric conversions have been since 1974 during the first oil embargo , what I can tell you is here no one will take a dead LiOnP4 battery , or a car size Ni Cad battery , so your stuck with them .No recycled batts on that line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 On 8/27/2022 at 8:39 AM, anduril3019 said: This is not meant to be a political discussion, so posting here. I'm interested in hearing peoples thoughts or inside knowledge on how this might affect the specialty, classic, and used car markets in California. For now, the ban is on new car sales, but I could see restrictions on older combustion engines, such as yearly mileage limitations. Specific to special construction vehicles and California's SB100 program, I wonder if this will be targeted and become stricter. I'm building a Locost that will need SB100 to title, but I'm probably a few years away from having it road-worthy. Guess I better get a move-on! The way things are now, this would definitely impact the specialty car market for their current offerings, but most (all?) of them are already working on electric versions of their specialty cars anyway, so impact will be greatly reduced another decade on from now. Plenty of time for them to be ready, such that impact should be minimal. As for classic and used cars, it seems a known ending date of supply would increase demand and therefore value (price). But that's with the current situation. I'm sure other things will change, but I'll avoid pointless speculation as to what might happen until specific proposals are known. Still, you should be able to finish before 2035, I hope. In recent times, California seems to acknowledge and accommodate its hot-rod past and appears to value the preservation of that culture. The SB100 program is testament to that view, and I believe the fringe sports car community will have some path to continue. At the same time, they have to look ahead and address known issues, and changes driven by that can have varying impact. Example: I renewed the registration of my daily driver car with zero waiting or hassles at a DMV kiosk inside a Safeway grocery store about an hour ago. It is available for use from 5 am to 2 am every day of the week (whenever the store is open). That's a most welcome improvement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex-Ks1 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Like all laws there ment to be broken , I for one don't think this will fly . I see to many people going against it and it may be reversed if it ever becomes a real law . Electric cars are not the answer ,my company builds electric vehicles and have been since 1974 . There just for a few people that really want them , there not fo every one , and the electrical grid could never Handel the charging load. It will fail and fail big time . recycling is a huge issue . No one will take LiOnP4 batteries or NiCad so now what ????? Like I said ,I build electric vehicles but I don't own one .nor do I want one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf4018 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Just spent a week in Sonoma driving a Tesla rental, my first experience with an electric car. A few observations: 1. The Tesla is a great car, very well designed and simple. Lots of places to charge, including hotels. I really enjoyed driving it despite being a gear head. 2. There was a threat for rolling blackouts due to the heatwave, so there doesn’t seem to be enough capacity now even. 3. I was expecting CA to be awash with electric cars, but it isn’t any more than any other southern city. Maybe 2-3% were electric on the road. ‘The concept and initial rollout is good, can it be afforded and used by 100% of the population, seems unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnifeySpoony Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 In the Bay Area proper, just about every third car is a model 3, or at least it seems that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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