Croc Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, slowdude said: ....roached.... Have not heard that expression before. Usually only used with wayward sons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, slowdude said: I'd go with something pre-crazy electronics. Nothing german, they're too complex. The more I have thought about this with my early Range Rover experiences, the more I realize that you need pre-OBDII as this was the inflection point when electronics in cars started going nuts. It also is the point where emission control laws in the Soviet states started to conflict with the objective of keeping cars on the road long term. Those emission laws were designed to remove old auto stock from the roads. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MV8 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I agree. In general, the mid-90s is the peak in sustainability (of the vehicle) with good reliability and bad for repeat business; like an old maytag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowdude Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 13 hours ago, Croc said: The more I have thought about this with my early Range Rover experiences, the more I realize that you need pre-OBDII as this was the inflection point when electronics in cars started going nuts. It also is the point where emission control laws in the Soviet states started to conflict with the objective of keeping cars on the road long term. Those emission laws were designed to remove old auto stock from the roads. Agreed. Your late 80s / early 90s range rover makes a ton of sense. Simple V8, solid chassis engineering with basic computers. We are over engineering everything nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwagon Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 A VW or dune buggy with an SU carb. ultra simple, parts are available and the SU does nearly everything that FI would. I have a crappy Manx clone with top, doors and heat. One of the engines is vnt-turbo-draw thru SU. (no controls except the foot-feed) AND fun to drive, will go places a jeep can't, plus handles well enough to be competitive at Pikes peak back when it was dirt. (will amaze one on asphalt too). BUT WAIT no anti-loc brakes, no GPS, and no AC. I hate modern because it IS NOT "reliable" But would really love a new auto to finish out my remaining years-- that could be trusted to get me "there". My research has shown me that-- "if" I bought a new truck and got a 99k mile warranty it would stand a 25% chance of not leaving me stranded. dare anyone to show the exception. Perhaps my 2007 yota highlander will be the exception. (but it could be in the beloved 25%) Perhaps I will pull "butt-ugly" into the shop for a fresh engine, disk rear brakes and an added AC. BTW it does have electronic "points" but there is always a couple sets of points and condensers in the tool kit. I "like" but do not "like" a "please take me to a dealer". john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCh Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/22/2025 at 2:57 AM, Croc said: The more I have thought about this with my early Range Rover experiences, the more I realize that you need pre-OBDII as this was the inflection point when electronics in cars started going nuts. It also is the point where emission control laws in the Soviet states started to conflict with the objective of keeping cars on the road long term. Those emission laws were designed to remove old auto stock from the roads. To give a real-world example, Porsche 993s, sold from '95-'98, use Secondary Air Injectors (SAI) as part of the emissions system. The SAI ports have a tendency to clog over time. When this occurs, there is zero effect on drivability and cars still pass the tail pipe sniff test. However, if the car is a '96 or later with OBDII, that system throws an error code that is an automatic emissions fail. The fix is labor intensive and expensive. My car is a '95. In this situation, ignorance is bliss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowdude Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 18 minutes ago, JohnCh said: To give a real-world example, Porsche 993s, sold from '95-'98, use Secondary Air Injectors (SAI) as part of the emissions system. The SAI ports have a tendency to clog over time. When this occurs, there is zero effect on drivability and cars still pass the tail pipe sniff test. However, if the car is a '96 or later with OBDII, that system throws an error code that is an automatic emissions fail. The fix is labor intensive and expensive. My car is a '95. In this situation, ignorance is bliss. But is a 30 year old porsche 911 a good daily? I almost had a heart attack for the PDK service on the macan. The labor does not pencil out in the long run for the car unless you do it yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCh Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 My point wasn't for Vlad to buy a '95 993. I don't think it checks his other boxes I was simply using that as a data point for Croc's comment about OBDII being an inflection point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdb Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 10 hours ago, JohnCh said: To give a real-world example, Porsche 993s, sold from '95-'98, use Secondary Air Injectors (SAI) as part of the emissions system. The SAI ports have a tendency to clog over time. When this occurs, there is zero effect on drivability and cars still pass the tail pipe sniff test. However, if the car is a '96 or later with OBDII, that system throws an error code that is an automatic emissions fail. The fix is labor intensive and expensive. My car is a '95. In this situation, ignorance is bliss. Or perhaps for the OBDII crowd, PIWIS is bliss... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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