s2k7 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/australian-grand-prix-organizers-furious-over-f1-s-new-turbocharged-sound--claiming-possible-breach-of-contract-175238816.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Automoda Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Just stick some playing cards in the spokes and we're back in biz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcarguy Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 What the . . . . Sounds more like a Tron Light Cycle than an F1 car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scannon Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 During the race I said it sounded like a long, drawn out fart but I like the blog's statement better "And what little noise there was sounded more like a herd of elephants with bad flatulence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdog Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I wasn't a fan of the ultra banshee wail of the V10-V8 engines. I much preferred the 80's era V6 turbo's. They were still spinning slow enough to retain an actual reciprocating engine sound. But these new engines (sound wise) have gone too far the other way. With the silliness that is modern F1. I'm not sure I will even continue to watch it anymore. Esp. With the penalty that was levied on Ricciardo (sp) at Red Bull. How dare a race team have a high fuel flow rate. Isn't it enough to limit the total on-board fuel supply. Much less further limiting how fast you are allowed to burn it. Seems if you burn it to quickly, You'll simply run out. So what's the problem. F1 has become the model of a nanny state micromanaging ruling body. F1 needs to have a revolution to throw the elites out the front door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcarguy Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 But these new engines (sound wise) have gone too far the other way. With the silliness that is modern F1. I'm not sure I will even continue to watch it anymore. Esp. With the penalty that was levied on Ricciardo (sp) at Red Bull. How dare a race team have a high fuel flow rate. Isn't it enough to limit the total on-board fuel supply. Much less further limiting how fast you are allowed to burn it. Seems if you burn it to quickly, You'll simply run out. So what's the problem. F1 has become the model of a nanny state micromanaging ruling body. F1 needs to have a revolution to throw the elites out the front door. Yessir! . . . . . . :iagree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee break Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Just got back from Sebring 12 Hour. The sound of the 12 Hour has changed also, and not for the better. It was just plain loud. :puke: The Chevy DP cars might as well have NASCAR stickers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rx7locost Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Anyone notice in the 2013 race, everyone close to the camera was wearing ear protection. In the 2014 race NOBODY was wearing ear protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2k7 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 oh...we have answer for no sound at all -- here: Formula E DEBUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboWood Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 I wasn't a fan of the ultra banshee wail of the V10-V8 engines. I much preferred the 80's era V6 turbo's. They were still spinning slow enough to retain an actual reciprocating engine sound. But these new engines (sound wise) have gone too far the other way. With the silliness that is modern F1. I'm not sure I will even continue to watch it anymore. Esp. With the penalty that was levied on Ricciardo (sp) at Red Bull. How dare a race team have a high fuel flow rate. Isn't it enough to limit the total on-board fuel supply. Much less further limiting how fast you are allowed to burn it. Seems if you burn it to quickly, You'll simply run out. So what's the problem. F1 has become the model of a nanny state micromanaging ruling body. F1 needs to have a revolution to throw the elites out the front door. I can understand this opinion, but I don't agree. The reasoning for using a fuel restrictor is very sound. The whole point is to have the engineers focus on BSFC instead of BSAC. When you don't control the fuel flow engineers will try to find ways of increasing the power as a function of airflow (BSAC). This is because it's the limiting factor. By putting a fuel flow limit on the cars you are forced to improve your power as a function of fuel (BSFC). This approach is far more closely linked to the reality of street cars. I work in the engine development field and we spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to improve BSFC. These new engines also use relatively standard ignition systems which is no small achievement when you consider how much fuel is being dumped into these small cylinders. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdog Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 I tried as best I could to understand what you said. But after googling those terms & reading for about thirty minutes. I decided to stop as I soon had thoughts of killing myself. Bottom line is that F1 has become far to pedantic to actually enjoy anymore. To me (a guy that just want's to see close racing) F1 has become more like dealing with the Borg on Star Trek TNG. And that's sad, As the F1 TV coverage here in Europe is absolutely brilliant. Sky TV has a 24 hour Hi Def channel dedicated to F1. They even broadcast the winter test's from Spain & Bahrain. But I just can't be bothered anymore. I think it's time to start watching more super seven academy racing & bin F1 just like I did Nascar 25 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi7ot Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 They sound like the old Indy lights buick V6s to me. So pants. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboWood Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Sorry, I should have been more clear. BSFC is brake specific fuel consumption (fuel flow per hp). BSAC is brake specific air consumption (air flow per hp). Both of these basically tell you how much fuel or air it will take to make a given amount of power. BSFC serves as the easiest measure of fuel economy. If you do a search for BSFC map you can see what these usually look like. For every road car this is clearly critical. On a race car you really don't care much except that you need to have enough fuel to finish the race. By limiting the fuel flow in a race series you force engineers to make as much power as possible from a fixed amount of fuel. At a high level this is a much better way to go because you are directly limiting the energy available. This should make the series more competitive and should drive for more interesting engine development. The turbo systems they are using are also quite interesting. With the generator/motor connected to the shaft of the turbo you can play interesting games with transient response. They are almost able to run a fixed turbo speed by modulating the load of the motor. I think we will get used to the sound. For me it doesn't sound that bad, just different. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1Steve Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Dan, Thanks for explaining this. I have a better understanding of why RedBull lost second place at the grandprix this past weekend. Sure, more fuel more power... As for the turbo sound, I'll have to hear it for myself. But I never heard a F1 car I didn't like. The V10's at Indy a few years ago were hard on the ears, and yes I had good hearing protection...... ThanksDan !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersportsp Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Bottom line is that F1 has become far to pedantic to actually enjoy anymore. To me (a guy that just want's to see close racing) What ever made you believe that F1 would/could/should feature close racing? I have watched F1 since the late 70's and I very much struggling to recall any era in that time period that featured what most would consider 'close racing'. You should watch MotoGP. Marquez and Rossi traded positions several times in the last five laps on Sunday and were only .2 seconds apart at the finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdog Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 If the race is decided at the qualifying sessions & only changes during the race due to mechanical issues, Wrecks or the FIA intervening. Then what's the point of it all. In fact I do tend to like watching the F1 practices & qualifying more than the actual race, As the race tends to be a parade more than anything else. And yes. The MotoGP boys certainly have some actual racing going on. That was a great race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboWood Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 My perception is the FIA's heart is in the right place in terms of trying to generate more passing on track. They have made aero and energy recovery regulations to help give the trailing car an advantage. It also helps bring the technology back to reality so hopefully more of it makes it to road cars (eventually). I'm not an F1 historian, but as I see it the last 10yrs or so have seen a transition from guess-and-check to optimization. Today the aero engineers are not only trying to optimize efficiency (drag vs. downforce), but they are also attempting to intentionally disrupt the aero for the car behind them. Regulation changes unfortunately still require more guess-and-check and we all get to judge before seeing a result. MotoGP has the advantage of having aerodynamically terrible vehicles (maybe only trumped by a 7 ) and effectively active mass transfer by the rider. These things make the rider far more critical and give the trailing rider an advantage. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderbrake Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I really don't care what F1 technology makes it to street cars, I just want to see a good race. F1 is/should be the pinnacle of auto racing. I would love to see a no holds barred rule book. Max width and length, min weight, max engine size, max fuel load..... anything goes, let's race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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