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Come on Astro Bob - I have 50+ lawyers on my payroll and I am the one who needs a psychotherapist for exactly the type of indecisive multi-layered ill thought logic Kitcat demonstrated. Only HR flunkey are worse.

OK I found that ad. Looks nice but very little detail to sort out a fair value. No idea what is meant by the high hp head option? Who cares how much was paid at day 1 - if a regular daily driver car depreciation curve was followed then it would have lost 50%+ of its value by now after 7 years. However, Caterhams and Birkins hold up better than that in their residual values given their specialist nature.

Mike - you are right. So much depends on condition/maintenance. Is it ready to drive 2-3000 miles without problem or does it need fettling to get to reliability? The level of included options can add a premium. I would liken an R500 to a current model designation of 485R. $45-50k is not a bad estimate given the huge amount of variables. It could easily edge up to $55k as a higher estimate depending on spec/condition. It is unlikely to get above that as I can think of slightly more recent cars with similar spec out there that are currently asking less around the $50k mark after haggling.

Is PBI the new name for what used to be known as Moroso? I did a shake down run there in the 1965 Mustang before doing a HSR race at Sebring. Sorry I don’t live close otherwise I would join you.

Hi Taber- you are quite right. I always forget about the civilized portion of Florida. I just tend to think east and south since that is where they cause all of my problems.... Not sure whether association with Alabama is a good thing though?

Yes PanAmericano was a little harsh there. I have always enjoyed the company of Locost owners. I would not afflict that Reliant Robin beast on them. Mind you, you have to watch out for Westfield owners - they sneak up on you when you are not watching and some of them even like Porsha Boxsters.

I think it means he has an early Caterham (correct - look at chassis restoration photo) that is titled as a 1967 Lotus in his state. Graham Nearn did not buy the rights off Lotus to manufacture the seven until 1973

And you were going to drive it home from Millville to Albany, dealing with NY metro traffic. I think you made the right choice not to....

Well that makes sense. It is our good friend Graham who is also on this forum and has a well set up and very quick Honda Locost. Sadly I won’t be posting tomorrow as I just do not have internet signal to get the search results processed. So I will have a nice relaxed breakfast bobbing around the North Sea.

Portland Oregon? Should be an interesting trip. Town is mostly run by hippies and communists but they do a good range of beers by microbreweries which redeems them in my view. Could be worse I suppose, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, all of Florida, Arkansas, etc. Think yourself lucky!

This is a good blast from the past! You still in Brisbane?

First observation is that it has been for sale for a very long time through a variety of channels. Good indicator of over-pricing so be sure of your value going in. There is a photo and some discussion (I think) of this car in the Dennis Ortenburger book. Its not clear if this was a Lotus experiment with IRS or an individual owner's modifications. With history so vague it makes valuing the car difficult. Also it makes it very owner specific in terms of liking or not. I suspect it is a very effective vintage racer which is why you are actively considering it. How effective a racer it is should be something with some level of documentable proof by the seller so you have a guide to potential before diving in.

I am starting this thread at the request of a new member to this forum who wanted to know how different the CSR is compared to other Caterham chassis'. I figure there is more than me who can comment on this topic so have made it a thread. Hopefully Josh and Bruce chime in given their deep knowledge as dealers. There are three basic Caterham chassis for sale today: 1) The S3 - the narrow body. De dion rear end 2) The SV (or S5) - the wide body. 4 inches extra in the cockpit in length and width. De dion rear end. 3) The CSR - essentially the same identical dimensions as the SV but has a different chassis design with more bracing and triangulation intended to make it stiffer. Also it is designed for inboard front suspension and independent rear suspension. There is also the option of traditional flat dash or "curvy dash". While my current car has the curvy dash, I prefer the flat dash for its traditional looks. The S3 or SV come in a variety of model designations broadly associated with hp/weight - 270 (135hp), 310 (150hp), 360 (180hp), 420 (210hp), 485 (250hp), 610 (310hp). The CSR usually comes as a CSR 200 or CSR 260 with the numbers linked to amount of hp, i.e. 200 or 260hp. However, there is nothing stopping a buyer from installing their own engine spec with hp of their choosing, e.g. a 210hp CSR. For driving impressions, the CSR feels like a bigger car with its more sophisticated suspension. Bumps do not throw it offline. Its quite soft in its feel - very comfortable if not better ride comfort compared with most daily driver types of cars. If you hit a bump while turning e.g. pothole on a road or kerb on a track, then the rear end stays planted on line. By contrast the regular S3/SV chassis with the de dion are not quite as planted over bumps and move around more - a more lively feel. Some people like this feel, some do not. A comparison I participated with a few people in the UK at Donington quite a few years ago was if you took an S3, SV and a CSR with identical hp (200), identical tires and wheels (15inch), then what was fastest around the track with identical drivers (and a few drivers participated). The fairly consistent result no matter the driver was the CSR was marginally fastest followed by the SV then marginally behind was the S3. The SV had it over the S3 by virtue of the wider track even though there was a very slight weight penalty. The CSR had it over the SV by virtue of its rear end suspension composure. I want to stress that these were marginal differences. A different driver might be able to achieve a different result. However, there was no question in my mind that the CSR made it much easier on the driver to go faster - you feel more confident about driving at the limit and carrying more speed. But these are not massive differences. 10-20hp could make difference. Switch from 15 inch to 13 inch wheels makes the CSR even faster. There are a lot of factors that can determine a test result like the one above. That said, the CSR is a touring monster, very fast point to point on second hand road surfaces.

New Caterham https://www.astonmartin-lotus.com/lotus/1977/1968-lotus-super-7 and here https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/caterham/super-7/2300393.html REPEATS Caterham https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Lotus-Super-Seven/273933349584?hash=item3fc7b332d0:g:W88AAOSwulJdL7az Replica https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Replica-Kit-Makes-Lotus-Seven-Caterham/153570313712?hash=item23c18105f0:g:0MAAAOSwP4Nc3Iy7 and here https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/d/atlanta-lotus-seven-replica-kit-car-170/6935218365.html Lotus 7 S1 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-Lotus-7-racer-early-Series-1-Seven-with-Lotus-IRS-Vintage-race-car/153585587615?hash=item23c26a159f:g:~pQAAOSw-HJdQJPR Lotus 7 S2 and a Lotus 7 S4 project http://www.taylormadeclassiccars.com/vehiclesforsale.html and https://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-Lotus-Seven-Series-2/293168376758?hash=item4442326bb6:g:hSYAAOSwGVRdCDgO Rotus 7 https://www.wirewheel.com/1994-Rotus-7-for-sale.html Caterham SCCA https://www.wirewheel.com/2001-Caterham-race-car-for-sale.html Caterham SV hayabusa http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/other/1458694360/1458694360ss.htm Lotus 7 S2 http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/lotus/1557321710/1557321710ss.htm Stalker http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/lotus/1437589044/1437589044ss.htm Lotus 7 S1 https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/2099394.html Stalker https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/2167534.html Caterham SV https://vintageracecarsales.com/portfolio-view/2013-caterham-seven-480/ Lotus 7 S1 https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1065332/1958-lotus-seven-for-sale-in-stratford-connecticut-06615 Caterham (but advertised as a Lotus 7) https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1234047/1965-lotus-seven-for-sale-in-north-andover-massachusetts-01845 Super Seven Sportscar http://sodo-moto.com/listings/super-seven-2tg/ Birkin http://sodo-moto.com/listings/1990-birkin-seven-so-cal/ Birkin (Sodo Moto shows another 1991 Birkin on their webpage, half way down) http://sodo-moto.com/all-listings/ Caterham SV http://britauto.com/portfolio-view/201216-nos-caterham-sv-roadsport/ Caterham http://britauto.com/portfolio-view/2000-caterham/ Diva https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/phoenix-1962-lotus-super-7-deva-kit/6945207365.html Lotus 7 S2 https://maine.craigslist.org/cto/d/spruce-head-1962-lotus-super-7/6938383194.html CANADA Replica https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1448981191 MCC 7 Project https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1432118799 Wolf Racing 7 https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1436702029 Replica https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1447473806 Caterham https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1410777802 Replica https://www.kijiji.ca/v-autos-camions/lac-saint-jean/lotus-super-seven/1449826562?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true And with that I am away for 2 weeks bobbing around the North Sea. Back for August 25.

Getting ahead of tomorrow https://www.astonmartin-lotus.com/lotus/1977/1968-lotus-super-7

I can understand that. You hope you have built a good reliable car but you know the long drive will be the true test. This thread brings back memories of JLumba driving my yellow Caterham from NYC To Juneau in 6 days - I was having kittens.

Do both at once is the accepted wisdom.

Congratulations Rahul! Safe travels home.

Oh wow! I didn't even see an ad and this sold. After so much work to get it to the perfect state it is in, this has got to hurt to let it go.

Bessie!!!!!! :rofl:

Actually, Mr Mustang saw what I saw. One photo in the ad has a set of scrubbed tires. Either he is tracking or he is autocrossing but he is not driving Miss Daisy on the street!

I'd say it was a track car looking at the photos.

This week's offerings out there in the market. Hardly anything comes up in Craigslist now that they added the fee. NEW Lotus 7 S2 https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25221/lot/60/?category=list&length=224&page=1 Caterham SV 480 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Lotus-Super-Seven/273933349584?hash=item3fc7b332d0:g:W88AAOSwulJdL7az Replica https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Replica-Kit-Makes-Lotus-Seven-Caterham/153570313712?hash=item23c18105f0:g:0MAAAOSwP4Nc3Iy7 and here https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/d/atlanta-lotus-seven-replica-kit-car-170/6935218365.html Lotus 7 S2 - seen this car at Owl Head museum once when I was there https://maine.craigslist.org/cto/d/spruce-head-1962-lotus-super-7/6938383194.html REPEATS Lotus 7 S1 IRS https://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-Other-Makes-early-LOTUS-7-IRS-Seven-IRS/153573248153?hash=item23c1adcc99:g:7v4AAOSweXddKcjm Rotus 7 https://www.wirewheel.com/1994-Rotus-7-for-sale.html' Caterham SCCA https://www.wirewheel.com/2001-Caterham-race-car-for-sale.html Lotus 7 S1 https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/2099394.html Stalker https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/2167534.html Caterham (advertised as a Lotus 7) https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1234047/1965-lotus-seven-for-sale-in-north-andover-massachusetts-01845 Lotus 7 S1 https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1065332/1958-lotus-seven-for-sale-in-stratford-connecticut-06615 Caterham SV Hayabusa http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/other/1458694360/1458694360ss.htm Lotus 7 S2 http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/lotus/1557321710/1557321710ss.htm Stalker http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/lotus/1437589044/1437589044ss.htm Caterham SV 480 https://vintageracecarsales.com/portfolio-view/2013-caterham-seven-480/ Birkin http://sodo-moto.com/listings/1990-birkin-seven-so-cal/ Birkin (direct page ad not working but can be seen on this page) http://sodo-moto.com/all-listings/ Super Seven Sportscar (Fejer) http://sodo-moto.com/listings/super-seven-2tg/ Caterham SV http://britauto.com/portfolio-view/201216-nos-caterham-sv-roadsport/ Caterham http://britauto.com/portfolio-view/2000-caterham/ CANADA Caterham https://www.kijiji.ca/v-autos-camions/sherbrooke-qc/caterham-super-7-sylver-jubilee-1982/1410777802?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true Wolf Racing 7 https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1436702029 Replica https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/windsor-area-on/1977-caterham-replica/1447473806?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true MCC 7 Project https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1432118799 Replica https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/city-of-toronto/lotus-7-replica-for-sale/1448981191?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

You could wait - I am betting the Pound will go par with the dollar later this year. Here are some other options to try: http://merkurmidwest.com/index.html https://mossmotors.com/ VPD may have something available although they normally build to order http://www.v-performance.com/products/transmission.html

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