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Any other brand that folks can recommend for a 7 for daily use, mostly in dry weather and one or two track days a year other than Toyos? Mine are mounted on 15x7 Panasports. Want spirited drives. Don't need all season.

Was going comparison shop Toyos with my local dealer against Tire Rack. Local dealer is Radial Tire, reknown guys in the racing business, but it is a two to four hour wait to get tires on your car. They are lined up there as early as 7AM every day. So, looking for a discount seller who can drop ship them.

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I just bought a set of RA-1s from Discount Tire. They don't stock them and had to order them. It took about a week to get them. The best part was that they price matched an internet quote for $125.27 each (205/60R13).

http://tirecrawler.com/shop/detail_tire.php?product_id=8360&t=GS

 

Here they are, installed, just after returning home from my first drive with them:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6166/6142012193_a5d622f8ae_b.jpg

and

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6153/6142568074_2b49277805_b.jpg

 

The transformation from my old Yokohamas is excellent.

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I had the Dunlop Star Spec's on the 7 (205 X 16) and found them a bit too easy to get loose. Replaced them with Nitto NT 01's and love them. I tried to sell the Dunlops but no reasonable offer so put them on an old set of Inke superlight 16" rims for my MINI as it needed tires. They are GREAT on the MINI, can't beleive what a difference the car makes to the tire performance. Guess the Dunlops were just a smidge too hard for the weight of the 7 and perfect for the weight of the MINI.

Think SOFT, like wear under 100, and it will probably work well on your 7, no matter what brand.

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My experience is they are no grip-pier and probably not as grippy as high performance street tires. I just did back to back Toyo vs street tire test on my new Birkin and my butt-O-meter suggests the Toyos dont hold the road as well.

 

I have a nice deserted roundabout (skid-pad?) where I see what the tires can do. My Toyos are "naturally shaved" and just have the 2 deeper tread rings left. On the track, once warm (1 lap is all it takes), the Toyos are terrific. Now that I have a set of full tread tires, I will run them on the street and save there Toyos for track use.

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My experience is they are no grip-pier and probably not as grippy as high performance street tires. I just did back to back Toyo vs street tire test on my new Birkin and my butt-O-meter suggests the Toyos dont hold the road as well.

 

I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. While I havent done a back to back test on my Se7en, I have done it several times on my Elise and there is a dramatic difference in street driving. I once swapped from the RA1s to my AD07 street tires and took a U-turn at a light at my regular RA1 speed and ended up with huge understeer and tire squeal which luckily was not seen by a cop.

 

Admittedly the Elise is a lot heavier than the Seven but at 2000 lbs its results are more applicable than most.

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Sure. I have 10K+ miles on mine and, other than some road rash on the body and a few extra small stones in the cockpit, they have been great. They do have decent grip cold, just much better thoroughly warmed. And they save you the need of having track rubber and street rubber.

 

There is a school of thought that says race rubber can't be allowed to get too cold or they lose their effectiveness. But I have stored my car in an unheated garage for 4 winters and have not seen a fall-off in performance (minus 5-10 degrees F). In fact, a selling point of RA1's is they seem to get better with age, unlike full-tilt race rubber like Hoosiers, for instance.

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Any other brand that folks can recommend for a 7 for daily use, mostly in dry weather and one or two track days a year other than Toyos? Mine are mounted on 15x7 Panasports. Want spirited drives. Don't need all season.

Was going comparison shop Toyos with my local dealer against Tire Rack. Local dealer is Radial Tire, reknown guys in the racing business, but it is a two to four hour wait to get tires on your car. They are lined up there as early as 7AM every day. So, looking for a discount seller who can drop ship them.

 

Good luck beating Radial's prices, especially on Toyo's. Also, if you mention that you're in a car club they usually knock another couple bucks off($10/tire last time I was in a month or so ago).

 

The key to getting in and out quickly is to be first in line on a weekday, OR just drop your tires/wheels off and pick them up later.

 

Sam and Paul are good people and I will recommend them to anyone and everyone in the greater DC area. You're lucky since they're in your neighborhood.

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Ok. Then. If I want a tire for occasional track use and mostly summer, non-wet driving, will I be safe , if reasonably careful, with the car on RA-1's if they don't get a chance to heat up around town?

 

Absolutely. Cold RA1s (non freezing) are still better than any street tire out there.

 

But I have stored my car in an unheated garage for 4 winters and have not seen a fall-off in performance (minus 5-10 degrees F). In fact, a selling point of RA1's is they seem to get better with age, unlike full-tilt race rubber like Hoosiers, for instance.

 

+1 on the logevity of the RA1s. In the dry you can literally run them to the cord without a change in grip.

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RA1s don't come in the sizes I'd like, but NT01s do. So the question is, are these two really equivalent, or are the Nitto's just thought to be the same compound. Discount Tire Direct handles Nittos and said specifically they don't handle Toyos 'cause Toyo owns Nitto and there are marketing issues.

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Just used my new NT01's last weekend at The Ridge motorsports park for the first time, granted I have only done 6 track days ever, but compared to the Faulkens they are amazing and give me much more confidence, the local Discount tire even matched all on line prices for tires and enkei's.

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I was told NT01s were the same compond as RA1s just different tread design. I really liked my NT01s. I was going to use RA1s but couldn't find them in the sizes I wanted.

 

And M Wirth.

 

As I said, size availability is my attraction to NT01s and I should have added that Kitcat, speaking of his experience with RA1s, posted his own experience indicating that "death by cold temperature" didn't occur as predicted by the mfg's warning and that they improved with age, not showing the related "death by heat cycling". I remember someone saying that the NT01s are heavy, but heavier than the RA1s?

Anyway, sounds like the NT01s are a pretty safe bet if you want to either swap out the Falkens on your Ultralite, or save some money, or even both! :-)

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I remember someone saying that the NT01s are heavy, but heavier than the RA1s?

 

 

I dont know how much the RA1s weight but a set of 235R17 fronts and 275R17 rears for my ultralite weight a little over 100 lbs. Doesnt matter on most sedans but is a huge percentage of the weight of a Seven.

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