Bruce K Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 7 hours ago, MV8 said: This is not a race and that is no cat, nor does it claim to be. It is far too easy to judge builds that started with a pre-internet knowlege base plan; especially when the design goals do not mirror our own. I would not build the same car today that I would have in the 80s, but I would appreciate that build all the same. From the ad for this car: "The red-painted custom fiberglass bodywork emulates the style of a Lotus Seven." But the "style" of a Seven, which I interpret as design ethos, is all about small, nimble, lightweight, track-capable, high-revving, fully-analog including gearshifts and so on - traits which were designed out of this car. Colin Chapman designed brilliant, ground-breaking performance cars beginning in the late 50's, including the Seven, without a whiff of electrons or photons or software. My Lola T70 was designed without CAD/CAM, but provides contemporary supercar performance today. I stand by my statements: This is a sevenesque hot-rod, a middleweight cruiser, but no sports car and certainly no Seven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 8 hours ago, MV8 said: This is not a race and that is no cat, nor does it claim to be. It is far too easy to judge builds that started with a pre-internet knowlege base plan; especially when the design goals do not mirror our own. I would not build the same car today that I would have in the 80s, but I would appreciate that build all the same. Well said. Anyone who puts sweat equity into a build should be respected. It may not to be some of our tastes but USA7s is a broad church intended to respect varying individual interpretations of the core Lotus 7 ethos. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce K Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Yes, but if it is the Church of Heavyweight Hot-Rods, should Sevenistas attend? I get your inclusivity point, but would you really recommend this car to anyone looking for the Seven experience? The cruiser experience, yes. The asphalt-ripping experience, yes. But all the rest, consisting of the most essential parts??? You, Croc, owner of many fine sporting vehicles, know that they all have discrete functions. Some are not light, not as nimble, but have living-room level seating and eat highway miles for 3 square a day. They are terrific for their purposes - cars which I can respect without reservation - but cars largely alien to the Seven experience. The red Sevenesque hot-rod is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2europa Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Does anyone know how much the S4 Seven was selling for in Louisville? The ad is now removed. Thanks. Lotus Super Seven - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (craigslist.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted October 9, 2022 Author Share Posted October 9, 2022 Week Beginning October 9, 2022 USA7s Classifieds Here Cars For Sale - USA7s NEW Westfield 1992 Lotus Westfield Reproduction #2625401 | Hemmings Diva 7 1957 Lotus Diva | eBay and here 1957 Lotus Diva - cars & trucks - by dealer - vehicle automotive sale (craigslist.org) Replica V8-Powered Custom Roadster for sale on BaT Auctions - ending October 12 (Lot #87,205) | Bring a Trailer REPEATS Westfield 1991 Westfield SE #2610959 | Hemmings Caterham 1980 Caterham Super 7 #2610285 | Hemmings Westfield 1983 Lotus Westfield Seven Price Reduced! #2485207 | Hemmings Lotus 7 S2 1962 Lotus Super Seven #2597601 | Hemmings and here 1962 Lotus Super 7 Roadster | eBay Locost Project LocostUSA.com • View topic - For Sale - Unfinished V8 Locost Project Lotus 7 S4 1971 Lotus Seven for Sale in LAKE LEELANAU, | RacingJunk Caterham Caterham Inventory — Beachman Racing Caterham AVAILABLE (rockymountaincaterham.com) Superformance S1 Marketplace - 1965 Lotus SuperFormance S1 Caterham Lotus | Facebook WCM Ultralite Marketplace - WCM ultralight s2k, caterham 7, Honda f20 motor | Facebook Caterham Marketplace - Caterham Super seven | Facebook Replica Project Marketplace - 1970 Caterham Caterham | Facebook Caterham Marketplace - 2005 2005 Caterham 2005 | Facebook Replica Marketplace - 1974 Lotus Lotus S7 · Caterham 7 | Facebook Caterham Marketplace - 2001 Lotus Super 7 | Facebook Caterham Lotus Super 7/Caterham Super 7 S3 - cars & trucks - by owner -... (craigslist.org) Stalker Marketplace - 1962 Lotus Seven | Facebook Replica Marketplace - 2020 Lotus Lotus 7 | Facebook Replica Marketplace - 1901 Lotus Lotus super 7 | Facebook Replica Project Marketplace - 1967 Lotus 7 rolling chassis | Facebook Diva 7 lotus hot rod - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (craigslist.org) Birkin Marketplace - 1994 Birkin (Lotus) Seven | Facebook Stalker Marketplace - 1962 Lotus Brunton Stalker - Lotus Seven | Facebook CANADA Caterham 2008 Caterham Super 7 Convertable - Vaughan (autotrader.ca) and here CATERHAM SV HAYABUSA SUPER 7 (LOTUS SUPER 7) | Cars & Trucks | Markham / York Region | Kijiji Birkin 2013 Lotus Seven Open car - Calgary (autotrader.ca) Deman SR7 Deman sr7 ( lotus 7 Caterham seven kit car ) | Cars & Trucks | Hamilton | Kijiji Replica Lotus super seven Caterham 7 replica | Classic Cars | Hamilton | Kijiji Beva 7 Beva Lotus type kit car | Classic Cars | Ottawa | Kijiji Replica Lotus Seven clone | Classic Cars | Moncton | Kijiji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SENC Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-lotus-super-seven-2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vovchandr Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/823015685501574/?hoisted=false&ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Aa188ff54-b522-491a-9364-22ce6ef94750 Quote Seller's Description A car I have personally owned and enjoyed for some time.........with an interesting history. From what I learned from the last owner, was in storage for many years, when he purchased the car it had 942 kilometers (European spec) which works out to be 580 miles. And the title validates this with the word 'actual.' He then proceeded to perform a complete restoration.........virtually every original part was untouched, undamaged, and in excellent condition. The 135hp 1700cc engine had/has perfect leak down, compression and oil pressure. And zero smoke on start up or when hot. He fitted new 40 DCOE Weber carbs, tubular headers, a rebuilt Ford T9 five speed transmission, tubular frame and aluminum body are virtually like new. As are seats, top, tonneau, dash, wiring, electrics, fiberglass body panels, on and on. Brakes were redone, shocks with adjustable ride height perches, new Minilite wheels, an alloy radiator with thermostatically controlled electric cooling fan, even (and this is incredible) a working fuel gauge. Has an oil cooler with Aeroquip braided steel lines, dual master cylinder, aluminum oil and coolant catch bottles, and cable operated clutch. And new three point belts. When I purchased this 7, was literally 'like new.' And between his use and mine, now, 5,600 km (under 3,500 miles). In use, was caught in traffic on a 98 degree day, ran cool with only the slightest upward movement of the temp gauge's needle. Always runs at a factory perfect 60 psi psi oil pressure. The engine pulls strongly, one can feel the cam really come in at 5,000 rpm, wonderful to shift through the five gears, every electrical item works (turn signals, horn, wipers, hi-lo beams, all exterior and gauge lights, etc.) Needless to say, braking, acceleration, steering, and handling are first rate and feel like driving a Formula Junior. But, ON THE ROAD. As my own car, have done a lot of little details to personalize it. Better dash switches, wind wings, better side mirrors and brackets, painted the fenders and nose in Lotus colors, and for fun, fitted Lotus emblems on the nose, steering wheel, shift knob, and even a Lotus ID plate in addition to the correct, original Caterham plate (sort of hidden). Most Caterhams I have seen, owned, or sold are basically 'boy racers' for the road. And what I liked about this car was the narrower rear fenders, front cycle fenders than turn with the wheels, narrow tires, and (for a Super 7) a higher degree of civility. Basically, a wonderful road sports car, fun to drive, strong performance, light steering, and very good ride and driving characteristics. Starts instantly, runs flawlessly, in many ways the ultimate fun road car. And, from my perspective, it isn't how fast you go on the road, it is how fast you think you are going. And in this Super 7, ALL speed feel fast. (NOTE: this is my own car and resides in my barn.......can be shown most any time including evenings and weekends....but it is NOT in our showroom....if interested, call for an appointment) (This Vehicle is for sale at The New England Classic Car Company located in Stratford, CT) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce K Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) On 10/7/2022 at 5:42 PM, Bruce K said: Yes, but if it is the Church of Heavyweight Hot-Rods, should Sevenistas attend? I get your inclusivity point, but would you really recommend this car to anyone looking for the Seven experience? The cruiser experience, yes. The asphalt-ripping experience, yes. But all the rest, consisting of the most essential parts??? You, Croc, owner of many fine sporting vehicles, know that they all have discrete functions. Some are not light, not as nimble, but have living-room level seating and eat highway miles for 3 square a day. They are terrific for their purposes - cars which I can respect without reservation - but cars largely alien to the Seven experience. The red Sevenesque hot-rod is one of them. Aha! I made a prediction regarding the red, home-designed and built "Seven" with the Olds Rocket V8, 3-speed slushbox, telephone-pole tube-frame, pointless wire wheels and superfluous room for four. My belief was this: The reserve better be less than $15K or it won't sell. It sold on BAT for only $7,200! A well-executed but flawed design. The link: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/v8-powered-custom-roadster/ Now, if you wish to buy a heavy Seven, with performance that will flatten your eyeballs and style to match, the silver Diva looks intriguing. SBC with a strong build and tune, CF dash with white-faced Autometer guages, and acres of rubber to handle all the torque. Tremec trans, Hurst shifter, Ram Clutch with shatterproof steel bellhousing. La Carra racing wheel, Simpson harnesses, Wilwood brakes and big whole-bay fire suppression system. 8.8" Ford rear with Moroso racing axles - this jet is engineered to fly low. Lots of extras and nearly perfect condition. Not my cup of tea, but if you like the look and don't mind the girth, this car is brilliantly executed, and an excellent design . The link: https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/unspecified/2519795.html For anyone interested, I will be selling my concours-winning 2010 R400/500 S3 Superlight. Carbon fiber everywhere including the nose, fenders, dash, Tillett seats, mirrors and turn signal nacelles. White rear taillights with colored bulbs. Windshield and CF windscreen. Detachable MOMO wheel and windwings. Heater. Full weather gear, all in mohair except the top. Caterham twin-spoke 13" wheels with Avon ZZ's mounted. Sale includes four Caterham 15" wheels with Avon CR500's and two uninstalled lowering floorpans. Painted gorgeous Daytona Blue with Silver stripes and glossy clearcoat over naked CF. Winner of the "Design of Distinction" award in it's class at the recent "Eyes on Design" Concours at the Henry Ford Estate in Grosse Pointe Shores. About 7,000 miles of use. Ad will appear in Hemming's in a day or so. $50,000 obo. Edited October 14, 2022 by Bruce K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaximander Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Bruce, After all of the machinations that went on in your decision to finally get a well-sorted se7en other than some other cars that were available at the time, why are you putting it up for sale? Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cueball1 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Will be interesting to see where this model 23 race car ends up. 15% premium to the auction house though? Ridiculous and outrageous! https://www.proxibid.com/1960-s-lotus-23-race-car/lotInformation/71756067#importantAuctionInformationTopSection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panamericano Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 29 minutes ago, Cueball1 said: Will be interesting to see where this model 23 race car ends up. 15% premium to the auction house though? Ridiculous and outrageous! https://www.proxibid.com/1960-s-lotus-23-race-car/lotInformation/71756067#importantAuctionInformationTopSection Boo on the 15%. History is the most important thing on an old racer, and they don't have much. The price might end up low enough for someone to then do the detective work. Or wait till it doesn't sell at this auction and then go find the owner to deal direct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce K Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Anaximander said: Bruce, After all of the machinations that went on in your decision to finally get a well-sorted se7en other than some other cars that were available at the time, why are you putting it up for sale? Bob Bob - Good to hear from you, and great question. I looked long and hard for an ultimate Seven. I've owned many, and I wanted a "bucket list" version. I found it in this award-winning Superlight R S3. However, before I bought this car, I was very close to purchasing a Lola T70 MkII Spyder. It is a special car, a replica very true to the originals - fitted with an authentic ex-works Eric Broadley body and original AP racing brakes, for example. The SBC engine was built by Hypercision to Can-Am specs, with one exception - the compression ration of 10.5:1 allows use of 93 pump gas. Also, the unusual inboard front brakes fitted to Broadley's T70's resulted in spindly uprights, which bumps and potholes would break (John Surtees was nearly killed at Sebring in such an incident). In my car, these weak uprights were eliminated in favor of robust versions sourced from Corvette. And, rather than a 100% aluminum monocoque, the body is aluminum monocoque stretched over a steel tube-frame backbone - much stronger. Overall, my T70 is 350 pounds heavier than a Broadley T70, but still light at 2,200 pounds. It has HSR and SVRA logbooks and has podiumed several times, including third at the prestigious Road Atlanta Walter Mitty Vintage International Race (2012). As a qualifying race car, it is equipped with a robust wraparound roll cage and two-stage fire suppression, making for a safer environment. A car I can drive everywhere I could pilot a Seven, but faster, with more ultimate grip and safer accomodations. So why didn't I buy it? My left knee was damaged, and I was looking for a lighter clutch. Hence, the purchase of my current Seven. However, I have since undergone restorative stem cell therapy in my knee, with significant improvement. A clutch is no longer an issue. As the ex-owner was doing little to sell the Lola, it was still available, so I bought it, and now I'm selling my ultimate Seven. Below are images of the Lola in current livery. The blue Lola (A J Foyt's famous # 83) is depicted because that is the livery I intend to apply to my car. PS - Early on, I checked with Croc. I can still participate in this forum while owning a Lola rather than a Seven, so I will not lose touch with you, Croc, John and other great members. Edited October 14, 2022 by Bruce K 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panamericano Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Congratulations on the Lola. WOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panamericano Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 At auction: https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/lot-339---1969-lotus-7-s3/?lot=56541&so=0&st=&sto=0&au=521&ef=&et=&ic=False&sd=0&pp=48&pn=1&g=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce K Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 10 hours ago, panamericano said: Congratulations on the Lola. WOW Thanks, Panamericano. I am truly blessed, far beyond my just deserts. I don't understand why He has treated me so well, but I thank Him for it every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted October 16, 2022 Author Share Posted October 16, 2022 I do like how this thread sometimes goes off topic... On 10/14/2022 at 5:37 PM, Bruce K said: I checked with Croc. I can still participate in this forum while owning a Lola rather than a Seven Yes I will admit to that but you missed the bit where I said "...provided I can have a drive of the T70 on track." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted October 16, 2022 Author Share Posted October 16, 2022 Week Beginning October 16, 2022 USA7s Classifieds Here Cars For Sale - USA7s NEW Lotus 7 S2 43-Years-Owned 1963 Lotus Super Seven for sale on BaT Auctions - ending October 20 (Lot #87,975) | Bring a Trailer Lotus 7 S2 Marketplace - 1967 Lotus Super 7 | Facebook Caterham 1994 Caterham 7 Supersport - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle... (craigslist.org) REPEATS Caterham 1980 Caterham Super 7 #2610285 | Hemmings and here Marketplace - 1980 Caterham Super 7 | Facebook Westfield 1991 Westfield SE #2610959 | Hemmings and here 1991 WESTFIELD SPORT SE SPORT ROADSTER - (COLLECTOR SERIES) | eBay Lotus 7 S2 1962 Lotus Super Seven #2597601 | Hemmings and here 1962 Lotus Super 7 Roadster | eBay Westfield Pre Lit 1983 Lotus Westfield Seven Price Reduced! #2485207 | Hemmings Westfield 1992 Lotus Westfield Reproduction #2625401 | Hemmings Locost Project LocostUSA.com • View topic - For Sale - Unfinished V8 Locost Project Lotus 7 S4 1971 Lotus Seven for Sale in LAKE LEELANAU, | RacingJunk Caterham Caterham Inventory — Beachman Racing Caterham AVAILABLE (rockymountaincaterham.com) Diva 7 1957 Lotus Diva | eBay and here 1957 Lotus Diva - cars & trucks - by dealer - vehicle automotive sale (craigslist.org) Westfield 1992 Lotus Westfield Reproduction #2625401 | Hemmings Superformance S1 1965 Lotus Super Seven | eBay and here Marketplace - 1965 Lotus superformance s1 Caterham Lotus | Facebook Caterham Marketplace - Caterham Super seven | Facebook Caterham Marketplace - 2001 Lotus Super 7 | Facebook Replica Project Marketplace - 1970 Caterham Caterham | Facebook WCM Ultralite Marketplace - WCM ultralight s2k, caterham 7, Honda f20 motor | Facebook Replica Marketplace - 2020 Lotus Lotus 7 | Facebook Replica Project Marketplace - 1967 Lotus 7 rolling chassis | Facebook Replica Project Marketplace - 1901 Lotus Lotus super 7 | Facebook Lotus 7 S2 Marketplace - 1962 Lotus Super 7 S2 | Facebook Birkin Marketplace - 1994 Birkin (Lotus) Seven | Facebook Stalker Marketplace - 1962 Lotus Brunton Stalker - Lotus Seven | Facebook Diva 7 lotus hot rod - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (craigslist.org) Caterham Lotus Super 7/Caterham Super 7 S3 - cars & trucks - by owner -... (craigslist.org) CANADA Replica Lotus Seven clone | Classic Cars | Moncton | Kijiji Deman SR7 Deman sr7 ( lotus 7 Caterham seven kit car ) | Cars & Trucks | Hamilton | Kijiji Replica Lotus super seven Caterham 7 replica | Classic Cars | Hamilton | Kijiji Caterham CATERHAM SV HAYABUSA SUPER 7 (LOTUS SUPER 7) | Cars & Trucks | Markham / York Region | Kijiji and here 2008 Caterham Super 7 Convertable - Vaughan (autotrader.ca) Beva 7 Beva Lotus type kit car | Classic Cars | Ottawa | Kijiji Birkin 2013 Lotus Seven Open car - Calgary (autotrader.ca) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce K Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Croc said: I do like how this thread sometimes goes off topic... Yes I will admit to that but you missed the bit where I said "...provided I can have a drive of the T70 on track." Well, Croc, if you are planning any jaunts up to the Detroit area, you are welcome to visit my home, and we'll take the Lola out to M59 for a spin - er, wait, for a drive between the lines! Edited October 16, 2022 by Bruce K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce K Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) On 10/16/2022 at 6:48 PM, Bruce K said: Well, Croc, if you are planning any jaunts up to the Detroit area, you are welcome to visit my home, and we'll take the Lola out to M59 for a spin - er, wait, for a drive between the lines! Croc - It is official - my Superlight R Caterham is now officially FOR SALE. Incidentally, there is another listing venue that you can now scavenge: Hagerty Marketplace. Hagerty is the first place I have advertised the car. Photos of the little blue beast are downloaded elsewhere on this page, and the URL for my Hagerty listing is https://www.hagerty.com/drivers-club/my-garage/995k8qlu/bruce-a-kopitz/98051fe0-a495-4e2b-8c9b-0c85a2741324 I am also offering the car to a few exotic sports car outlets, and if that fails, I will increase my advertising in customary outlets like Hemmings. This car is both a concours-winning work of art and a low-flying cruise missile, with 230 hp propelling just 1,150 pounds. The chassis is the upgraded laser-cut and precision-welded unit, and the Dedion rear includes the 30 upgrades that were implemented at the same time. In the Hagerty ad is a copy of the two pages of included extra parts, such as two complete sets of Caterham wheels and Avon tires, two uninstalled lowering floorpans, a windshield and CF windscreen and much, much more. Not cheap at $50K, but one of the finest examples of the marque available anywhere at this time. Anyone interested can message me on this forum. Edited October 19, 2022 by Bruce K 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UglyFast Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 11:02 PM, Vovchandr said: One of the bidders (not a winner) just won an Atom. Bidding was upto $56k or so. He comes in and bids nearly $20k over that and wins it. He wasn't even in the running upto that point. Who. Who does that? Not being snarky at all @Vovchandr, but who does that is people with money who want what they want NOW. In my head the last couple years I've been toying with the idea of what I call the "Right Now" tax. And I've seen people do exactly what you're talking about. Pay way more than they should cause they want IT (whatever it is) NOW and supply chains have bogged everything down. Happy to hear other theories, but I really think in some cases were seeing examples of people happily paying the Now Tax. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now