TxCoyote Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I'll see if I can find mine and send you a copy if you like. It probably won't be an exact fit to your nosecone but it should give you the angle and relative spacing. Thanks for the offer but I think the pics were what I needed. Hey Russ, Your 2 element wing looks cool. You might get by with running it in SCCA Regional events if you are the only E/M car in your class. Most likely you will have to run A/M if you want to win FTD honors. It won't make it through SCCA Divisional events or National Tour events unless you run A/M. D/M and E/M are non-aero classes. You can run with a tall 10" spoiler and you can also run with a front splitter but it can't extend the width of the bodywork under the nose. The spoiler can even extend out to the edge of the rear fenders but they must be attached to the fenders. You can also run with a defuser underneath the rear section of the car. The rule book is very specific about spoilers with no air passing underneath the device. If any air flow can pass underneath it is then considered as a wing which is forbidden in our class. Jack Hi Jack, Since I probably can't beat Keisel (who can?) it likely doesn't matter. Depending on the field A/M might be a better choice. It is easily removed though. I have given thoughts to a diffuser. I/we have pans underneath front and rear that should help but extending it out the rear with a diffuser but haven't fully thought it through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshesh Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Hey Russ, Your 2 element wing looks cool. You might get by with running it in SCCA Regional events if you are the only E/M car in your class. Most likely you will have to run A/M if you want to win FTD honors. It won't make it through SCCA Divisional events or National Tour events unless you run A/M. D/M and E/M are non-aero classes. You can run with a tall 10" spoiler and you can also run with a front splitter but it can't extend the width of the bodywork under the nose. The spoiler can even extend out to the edge of the rear fenders but they must be attached to the fenders. You can also run with a defuser underneath the rear section of the car. The rule book is very specific about spoilers with no air passing underneath the device. If any air flow can pass underneath it is then considered as a wing which is forbidden in our class. Jack What about the wiskers and CSR hood vent, are they illegal somehow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbanker Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 What about the wiskers and CSR hood vent, are they illegal somehow? Not sure. At the Nationals this year a friend of mine that ran a D/M WCM Ultralight XR7 was questioned about the opening in the top of the bonnet that exposed and aided in the radiator cooling. I think he was asked to close it off because Tech felt that it provided "downforce". I am not 100% sure that was a final decision but I know there was a discussion. I believe the opening in question is at least as large, if not more, as the one on the CSR. As far as the wiskers are concerned possibly a photo of the originally equipped Caterham CSR with the wiskers might enable a positive outcome for the argument. However, It could be challenged. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshesh Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 How about this picture: http://www.seriouswheels.com/2007/2007-Caterham-CSR260-Superlight-FA-Shop-1600x1200.htm It shows up close the hole in the hood and wiskers (come stock on this model) - so by updated backdate rule ALL DM/EM super 7 clones should be able to make these modifications. Unless the update/backdate rule isn't the same as it is in SP rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxologist Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 The hard part is that Caterhams fall under clones and not production cars. The whiskers weren't on Lotus 7s. The MAC has to be pushed for the A/B/D/EM rulesets to changed to a "if it doesn't say you can't, then you can", as opposed to the "if it doesn't say you can, then you can't" that is in effect for Stock, Street Touring, Street Prepared, Prepared, and Street Modified. Joshesh - update/backdate doesn't affect 7 Clone aero because there is already a huge clarification 5 years ago. The resultant rules are either in the back of the Mod ruleset or in the Clarification appendix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Hatter Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) I bought a similar set of lower wishbone aerofoils from SevenTweeks in UK, looking for a bit of downforce. Like the Mog Racing aerofoils, the aerofoil shape is moulded in, but unlike how I think the Mog foils are made, the trailing edge of the Tweeks foil is not left unsupported -- there is a rear lip that goes over the rear leg of the A-arm. Unfortunately, the Tweeks foils do not fit my lower A-arms because mine are the Caterham thin "aero" arms, instead of the round cross-section arms. i don't know if anyone makes aerofoils for A-arms that are of the Caterham "aero" type. As chief in charge at Seven Speed (formerly Seven Tweeks) i can inform you that with a slight modification our Aerofoils do fit aero wishbones Its done like this - Hello Carl I cut off 12mm off the front and rear curve and a lot around the damper.l just maked a cardboard templet and cut after that. Regards Ivar See Attached Pictures Edited February 13, 2012 by Mad Hatter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Hatter Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 NEW - A PAIR OF VENOM 5 Function headlamp For UK - Including DRL for 2012 lighting regulations - Direct replacement for headlamps on Caterham Westfield & Lotus 7 style cars. Lighting performance and 200 grms lighter than standard units.Available with black, chrome and carbon effect bowls. Black units can be painted USA/ European versions available These new headlights are the most aerodynamic available for 7's 'E' marked. 12 volts. This really is an 'All in one' Headlamp. Main and Dip is a single standard H1 55 watt halogen bulb (included) with a clever, solenoid operated, flip up shield for dip beam. Side light, indicator and Daytime running lights are all LED in a ring around the main lens. The housing is moulded ABS. Front to back dimension 240mm. Maximum diameter 138mm. Single, M16 x 38mm long hollow bolt mounting with spherical seat and 500mm flyleaves. Cant wait to get the first set on my car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blubarisax Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) Can you fit the airfoils on the upper wishbones as well? Croc, I think we may have a way to keep up with you and your diffuser powered CSR... Edited February 13, 2012 by blubarisax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Hatter Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Totally different size for the upper wishbones If there is a demand i would look into making them Just got the Aerodynamic CSR carbon wings back into production too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskossie Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Croc, Mog Racing offered airfoils for the upper A-arms also (but again, without support at the rear of the airfoil). MadHatter -- I would be interested in a set for the upper A-arms. I'll try to modify my existing SevenTweeks airfoils to fit for Caterham aero-arms, as you suggest. I would prefer airfoils for the lower and upper A-arms that were specifically contoured to fit the Caterham aero A-arms, of course, but that may be asking too much, considering the relative demand for that product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Hatter Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Croc, Mog Racing offered airfoils for the upper A-arms also (but again, without support at the rear of the airfoil). MadHatter -- I would be interested in a set for the upper A-arms. I'll try to modify my existing SevenTweeks airfoils to fit for Caterham aero-arms, as you suggest. I would prefer airfoils for the lower and upper A-arms that were specifically contoured to fit the Caterham aero A-arms, of course, but that may be asking too much, considering the relative demand for that product. Alaskossie for one set they would be expensive, but if you are interested i can get you a price I also have a list of new Carbon products we want to get into development and production, its not cheap thats for sure Those new headlights cost £40000.00 to design,develop, get E marked and into production :ack: Let me know what you want to do, don't panic it won't cost £40000.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberbug Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Excellent thread any one know source of the following wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Excellent thread any one know source of the following wings. By looking at the wing sponsor (Super 7 Cars Canada) that car looks like the Canadian Hayabusa Turbo that Terry (name and profile name on USA7s) is associated with - send him a PM. I would be curious to know as I have also been tempted by a carbon front wing on my car....:drool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7evin Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Everything comes at a price. If you have the HP the dual element wings will give you some down force. Below 100 mph don't even bother. Ian7 a couple of years ago tried to educate me on some of the issues of what happens to the rear of the car when you create this large deflection of air at the rear... My brain did not compute what he was trying to say.... I was creating a parachute behind me... In racing its about air management as much as HP when you get over 100 mph. Is my car stable with the addition of the wings ? Yes. Am I jacking the air flow at the rear of the car up? Yes. It has taken allot of work under the car to fix even a portion of this. Can I detune the rear wing and reduce the awful aero? some. Does it make it crazy stabile in the rain at 140 mph? Beleive it or not Yes! Does it scare the hell out of my competitors when they see a winged 7 show up... ? Hell yes and that is enough of a kick in its self . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberbug Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 So these are custom installs? Here is my self done rear aero on the other car http://www.pbase.com/cyberbug/image/140748825.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitcat Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Nice "other car!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberbug Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Nice "other car!" thanks Lots of work and $$$$$, 3 years of modifying a new car. I think I enjoy working on cars :jester: Its stiff as a surf board, upgraded Grandam spec sways, race suspension, braces all over etc etc. Not as light or fast as a Caterham though but its tons of fun. Draws a crowd every where. +250whp/+225ftlbs rev limit set at 7300rpms. Cosworth blower. The front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1Steve Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Wait till Hank sees this !!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHKflyer52 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Wait till Hank sees this !!!!!! Yep Hank will most likely point out it has a pink looking tow hook......:jester: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escondidoron Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6114/6339134728_8837d32bb2_b.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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