2 new Sevens for sale

[Bruce K]

Interesting 2002 Toyota-powered car, custom built, purportedly very light weight, with lots of extras and opening bid price of $22,900 (reserve not met). I wouldn't place much faith in the "dyno-derived" claim of 0 to 60 in 3 seconds, though. Plus custom cars can be hell to repair:

 

[/url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lotus-Super-Seven-sports-car-Professionally-Custom-built-Super-7-by-Champion-Motors-/230918505515?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item35c3d0c42b

 

To my mind, this car is a better value: A newer 2004 Birkin with even more content and desirable name-brand marque. Powered by 2 liter Ford Zetec, which has more upside than the 1.8 liter Toyota. Quaiffe diff, bolt-on roll cage, oil cooler, close-ratio 5-speed, street and track exhausts and lots of other great bits. Plus, parts are off the shelf with Birkin. The reserve is not met at an opening bid price of $22,000:

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lotus-Super-Seven-S3-Super-Seven-2004-Birkin-S3-/251218019553?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a7dc2c4e1

[timax]

How do you guys get away with listing a car as a 1965 LOTUS super seven when its clearly not. Neither of these cars have been anywhere near the Lotus or Arch factories yet both claim to be a LOTUS. Very relaxed rules over there compared to us in Aus. Can you also build a 250 GTO on a toyota celica and sell it as a Ferrari?

[DeanG]

Polite fiction for the purposes of registration

[scannon]

Different states have different laws concerning the registration of kit cars. Some allow you to title it as the car it is a replica of, others such as Colorado register them as a Kit or home built.

 

The 250 GTO replica on a Toyota chassis would retain the Toyota title in most states. People do try to sell kit cars as originals but I think almost anyone buying a sports car would not be fooled.

[mrmustang]

Wonder what the seller wants for the Birkin :leaving:

 

 

 

Bill S.

[rikker]

Different states have different laws concerning the registration of kit cars. Some allow you to title it as the car it is a replica of, others such as Colorado register them as a Kit or home built.

 

The 250 GTO replica on a Toyota chassis would retain the Toyota title in most states. People do try to sell kit cars as originals but I think almost anyone buying a sports car would not be fooled.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Replica-Kit-Makes-BENTLEY-CONTINENTAL-R-2-DOOR-SEDAN-/150984095940?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item23275a78c4

[coffee break]

:puke: 1991 Replica/Kit Makes BENTLEY CONTINENTAL R

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Repli...item23275a78c4

Edited January 28, 2013 by coffee break

[scannon]

There is nothing in that ebay ad telling what the car is registered as.

 

So I called the seller and asked him what it was titled as. His answer: 1991 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme.

[rikker]

How do you guys get away with listing a car as a 1965 LOTUS super seven when its clearly not. Neither of these cars have been anywhere near the Lotus or Arch factories yet both claim to be a LOTUS. Very relaxed rules over there compared to us in Aus. Can you also build a 250 GTO on a toyota celica and sell it as a Ferrari?

 

But , I think a lot of the fudging here has to do with two points, in most other countries you are dealing with one national car registration system and the rules are common ( and it seems often make more sense, also helps if they are familiar with your type of car).

Here, there are massive differences from state to state ( and often within the cities of one state, particularly with smog/emissions./ safety laws).

So, a lot of times it is like a game trying to convince a bored post menopausal witch that the car that you just finished building with a 2012 body from the UK and an engine from a 2007 wrecked Ford Focus really is a 1967 Lotus 7 from England.

PS,

I really do find it odd that here in the USA you can buy guns with no standard balances or checks, and without too much hassle get a permit to carry them everywhere ,yet a car like this is often not able to be registered or used.

Edited January 29, 2013 by rikker

[slomove]

I really do find it odd that here in the USA you can buy guns with no standard balances or checks, and without too much hassle get a permit to carry them everywhere ,yet a car like this is often not able to be registered or used.

 

I believe the writers of the constitution forgot an amendment that the right of the people to own and drive a sports car however odd shall not be infringed. Well, that would probably have been a sports buggy.

[MHKflyer52]

I believe the writers of the constitution forgot an amendment that the right of the people to own and drive a sports car however odd shall not be infringed. Well, that would probably have been a sports buggy.

 

Here is what the Sports Buggy from the time of the signing of the Constitution would look like as they are still used in some parts of Pennsylvania even in today's world....

[m wirth]

and then if you ahere the the "add lightness" theory, you have this.

 

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrN-_u_G87v3QmvxSuPLON3RdWtO87pnDxRZPWZM0KB97C0nq3rg

[xcarguy]

Somebody has too much time on their hands, yet here I sit, typing this.

[rikker]

ha...

[slomove]

Here is what the Sports Buggy from the time of the signing of the Constitution would look like as they are still used in some parts of Pennsylvania even in today's world....

When I was in PA last fall I saw more the SUV type of buggy (with LED markers nonetheless).

[xcarguy]

ha...

 

Yep . . . I spoke too soon.

[rikker]

one of the few advantages of growing old.

 

 

Just saw this cheap and cheerful little number.......http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/3579651272.html

 

 

and even cheaper and cheerfuller...http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/3583576276.html

Edited January 31, 2013 by rikker

[Kitcat]

The Birkin sale ended with a bid of $22.2K which didnt make reserve. Looks like a $25K+ car to my uneducated eye.