The Regular Summary of Classified Ads of Se7ens Found For Sale

Kitcat · May 30, 2022

Cueball: sorry you missed out on that amazing Stalker but there is always a “next time.”

I don’t own a Stalker, and I dont auto-x my Caterham, so I have no opinion on large vs. small Stalkers in the auto-x environment. Based on my experience at NJMP against V8 Stalkers tho, I think they are track day beasts, whatever their size.

Cueball1 · May 30, 2022

Sorry kitcat, i meant that for CarGuy who is buying the car I should have bought but stupidly hesitated on!

Car_Guy · May 30, 2022

4 minutes ago, Cueball1 said:

Sorry kitcat, i meant that for CarGuy who is buying the car I should have bought but stupidly hesitated on!

I figured as much, I sense I will be enjoying this car for quite some time, but you never know. As Croc said, there will be another one that comes along, and thankfully this post and community make them a lot easier to find, I know there are several i have kicked myself on as well, but sometimes it works out for the best.

Croc · May 30, 2022

9 hours ago, Kitcat said:

....I have no opinion on large vs. small Stalkers in the auto-x environment.

I know who does! Calling @Anaximander to the discussion.

Anaximander · May 30, 2022

11 hours ago, Kitcat said:

Cueball: sorry you missed out on that amazing Stalker but there is always a “next time.”

I don’t own a Stalker, and I dont auto-x my Caterham, so I have no opinion on large vs. small Stalkers in the auto-x environment. Based on my experience at NJMP against V8 Stalkers tho, I think they are track day beasts, whatever their size.

Kitcat, The XL Stalkers were primarily designed to be track cars as they are 10" longer and 10" wider than the M-Specs (the cockpit is 4" wider and the foot well is larger as well). Since the XL has similar wheelbase dimensions to a C7 Corvette (105" length and 76" width in the rear), some modifications would be in order to make it more of an autocross weapon. Primarily, the size of the rotors/wheels/brakes on the XL were spec'd for track use with 12.75" rotors. To make it more efficient for autox, one would want to put smaller rotors (10") on the car allowing for smaller dimension wheels and tires. Trying to use street tires on a LS3/430 or LS3/480 are like driving on ice in terms of overall tire grip. If it was going to be used for both street and autox use, then a set of Yokohama Advan AO52's would be about the closest you could come to having both street/autox tires with some grip.

Currently, I am in the process of putting together a Stalker AXR which was specifically designed for autocross and is 6" shorter than a regular M-Spec with the more narrow width (except the wider rear end to accommodate the 16" wide slicks) but can also be tracked. It can also be setup for some street use which I do not plan to do. On my M-Spec AXR, the rotors are 10 1/8" in diameter front/back. It will have 16" wide rear Avon slicks on the rear and 10" wide Avon slicks on the front. The rear hubs need wheel spacers to fit the wide rear tires. The height profiles of both front/back are much smaller than the XL's or even the M-Spec tires.

Edited May 30, 2022 by Anaximander

Croc · May 30, 2022

@Anaximander Morning Bob! :seeya:

Anaximander · May 30, 2022

25 minutes ago, Croc said:

@Anaximander Morning Bob!

G'day Croc! The AXR is currently being reassembled. Most of the suspension, foot controls are back on and I will finish installing brake lines by the end of this Memorial Day! I will also finish mounting the center console to accommodate the 5-point seat belt harnesses today. Then, reinstall the floors and rear cockpit aluminum sheet metal. At that point, the LS1 engine, GForce transmission and drive shaft will be installed and coupled to the 8.8 Ford 3.73 LSD rear end. Then the task of wiring and connecting up the engine accessories, fuel tank, etc. will commence. The body work (bright red) is at the painter's shop and should be completed in the next week or two which coincides (hopefully) with my ability to install them. I have the tires (Avons) but am waiting on the front/rear wheels and that should come in the next couple of weeks. Hope to have a trackable car by early July. Already have the Aluma 14" tilt trailer with brakes in my neighbor's garage. Thankfully, my neighbors only occupy this second home for the Winter golf season.

Edited May 30, 2022 by Anaximander

Car_Guy · May 30, 2022

5 hours ago, Anaximander said:

Kitcat, The XL Stalkers were primarily designed to be track cars as they are 10" longer and 10" wider than the M-Specs (the cockpit is 4" wider and the foot well is larger as well). Since the XL has similar wheelbase dimensions to a C7 Corvette (105" length and 76" width in the rear), some modifications would be in order to make it more of an autocross weapon. Primarily, the size of the rotors/wheels/brakes on the XL were spec'd for track use with 12.75" rotors. To make it more efficient for autox, one would want to put smaller rotors (10") on the car allowing for smaller dimension wheels and tires. Trying to use street tires on a LS3/430 or LS3/480 are like driving on ice in terms of overall tire grip. If it was going to be used for both street and autox use, then a set of Yokohama Advan AO52's would be about the closest you could come to having both street/autox tires with some grip.

Currently, I am in the process of putting together a Stalker AXR which was specifically designed for autocross and is 6" shorter than a regular M-Spec with the more narrow width (except the wider rear end to accommodate the 16" wide slicks) but can also be tracked. It can also be setup for some street use which I do not plan to do. On my M-Spec AXR, the rotors are 10 1/8" in diameter front/back. It will have 16" wide rear Avon slicks on the rear and 10" wide Avon slicks on the front. The rear hubs need wheel spacers to fit the wide rear tires. The height profiles of both front/back are much smaller than the XL's or even the M-Spec tires.

I'll try not to drag this for sale thread too far off topic, but:

Thanks for the commentary, this aligns with my expectations and experiences at AutoX (although I am partial to the Falken RT660 for a 200TW tire). I'm also recognizing that I am not hunting for top PAX either, and trying to meet a $ per fun ratio as well, so we will see how that steers future updates to the car (I suppose at a local level it does even have to be "E Mod" Legal, although I am sure I will look at adding some aero improvements to help grip in any way possible. I look forward to seeing your AXR build. Definitely a fun car, and if the right one was available I would have jumped, but life is too short to wait for the perfect option. I also worried about one day resale that the XL fits a lot more folks. After sitting in a friends homebuilt lotus, it was definitely a tight cab and I am a pretty small guy.

Anaximander · May 30, 2022

Car Guy,

Those Falken RT660's are very well thought of 200TW tires. The Yokes are probably not really 200TW tires. They wear more like 80-100 and grip like all get out. However, those Falkens are almost half the price.

I autoxed my XL a few times and it was a LOT of fun! I did it on a local track and also at Sebring International Motorsports Park parking lot with the local SCCA group. It did amazingly well in the sweepers. It is a bit wider for the slaloms and/or Chicago Box.

I would love to share my good fortune on this Memorial Day. The complete brake system is now installed and the center console has been fitted for the Wilwood brake bias selector, gear shift lever and the 5-point harnesses. On Wednesday, we plan to re-install the engine/transmission/drive shaft. The professionally built top end is going to need priming prior to start-up. I also just received the alternator, starter and some fuel line components such as the 10 micron fuel filter. I have to get the spec for the fuel regulator and order one of those. My painter said that I should be getting the body panels no later than this coming Friday. Things are moving along. I have the wheels in shipment and already have the Avons so things are perking along. I need the big 16" tires mounted on their wheels to determine where to set the fenders and the rear suspension. That part of the process should commence mid next week. Again, I am hoping to have this hot rod fired up by the end of June 2040. I moved the date out hoping that my body wouldn't give out before I complete the build and so setting a very distant number might be physically protective against old age?

Bob

Edited May 30, 2022 by Anaximander

Kitcat · May 31, 2022

Stewart/Jeff’s blue BDA Caterham is now on BAT. One of my all time favorites! GLWA!

JohnCh · May 31, 2022

I was surprised to see @BlueBDA's car on BAT when I checked it this morning. Like Kitcat, this has always been one of my favorites; great color combination and a fantastic engine.

-John

Bruce K · May 31, 2022

3 hours ago, Kitcat said:

Stewart/Jeff’s blue BDA Caterham is now on BAT. One of my all time favorites! GLWA!

Pardon my ignorance, but what does the acronym "GLWA" represent? I checked the internet, and neither "Gay and Lesbian Welfare Association" nor "Great Lakes Wrestling Alliance" are suitable matches. Also, I owned a Cat S3 with 1800 cc Cosworth BDE motor, Quaiffe straight-cut five-speed trans and DeDion rear. It was a track monster that easily held off the newer Zetec cars, and the supercharger-like whine of the straight-cut box was always a hoot. Driving it on the street always seemed a page torn from IMSA logbooks - trips to the party store had me practising my lines. From BlueBDA's informative BAT videos, I'll bet his car provides similar all-around fun.

Kitcat · May 31, 2022

Good luck with auction.

BlueBDA · May 31, 2022

Kitcat, John, Bruce, anyone else,

BAT wasn't supposed to run the ad until after today, as I have been backpacking in the mountains of New Hampshire and totally unplugged for a few days. I really wanted to alert everyone here before the ad ran.

To repeat what I just posted in the Annual NJMP Sevens event thread:

Sorry to announce to this group that I am in the process of selling my seven. It's a wonderful car, and we've had a lot of fun together, but for various reasons it is time for me to move on. By far the hardest aspect of selling this car is stepping out of this wonderful community of people, specifically those who attend the annual NJMP sevens days. I have participated each of the past three years, have had a blast on the track, have learned a lot, and have enjoyed connecting with all of you. Croc and Tom thank you for everything you do to make this event happen and to help this community.

If you are reading this, have not attended this event, and are considering it - do it. The opportunity to be on track with only sevens is unique and fantastic, and the camaraderie couldn't be better.

Keep the tires on the pavement and pointed in the proper direction everyone.

BlueBDA · May 31, 2022

4 hours ago, Bruce K said:

Pardon my ignorance, but what does the acronym "GLWA" represent? I checked the internet, and neither "Gay and Lesbian Welfare Association" nor "Great Lakes Wrestling Alliance" are suitable matches. Also, I owned a Cat S3 with 1800 cc Cosworth BDE motor, Quaiffe straight-cut five-speed trans and DeDion rear. It was a track monster that easily held off the newer Zetec cars, and the supercharger-like whine of the straight-cut box was always a hoot. Driving it on the street always seemed a page torn from IMSA logbooks - trips to the party store had me practising my lines. From BlueBDA's informative BAT videos, I'll bet his car provides similar all-around fun.

"GLWA" = Good Luck With the Auction