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General Zetec powered Caterhams/7's discussion
Vovchandr replied to Vovchandr's topic in General Tech
They absolutely always must as the math that is used to calculate hp from the tq dictates it as such. -
Surprised to see how easy they seem to roll over
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Top 10 Biggest Caterham Crashes Ever (No Fatalities)
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General Zetec powered Caterhams/7's discussion
Vovchandr replied to Vovchandr's topic in General Tech
The car is powered by a Ford Zetec 2.0-liter engine that was built by Hasselgren Engineering in 2012 and is equipped with dry-sump lubrication, a ported cylinder head, Comp Cams XR camshafts, ARP head studs, billet I-beam connecting rods, a direct-injected intake manifold, and a programable Cosworth Pectel ECU 208hp @ 7100 ~175 @ 5252 -
General Zetec powered Caterhams/7's discussion
Vovchandr replied to Vovchandr's topic in General Tech
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General Zetec powered Caterhams/7's discussion
Vovchandr replied to Vovchandr's topic in General Tech
Double checked and found your car. But yeah that printout has been used more than once. Not sure if you printed your own but the sale thread for your car has this dyno sheet without a page number in the top right I keep coming across the same dyno printout being used by multiple sellers.. Here is another one For a more or less stock SVT I'd love to see what you actually put down on a dyno on that SVT -
General Zetec powered Caterhams/7's discussion
Vovchandr replied to Vovchandr's topic in General Tech
The 2.0-liter Ford Zetec inline-four was built by Quicksilver RacEngines of Frederick, Maryland, and a dynamometer graph is pictured in the gallery. Modifications include the following: Ford Racing cylinder head Brian Crower piston rods TWM fuel injection Raceline water rail Pectel T2 ECU ~230hp @ 7500 ~ cross point @ 5252??? I think the scale on this graph is quite off.... the lines aren't crossing @ 5252 which is impossible more like 6750 as the cross point -
General Zetec powered Caterhams/7's discussion
Vovchandr replied to Vovchandr's topic in General Tech
The 2.0-liter SVT Zetec in-line four was reportedly installed at 15k miles and is equipped with a Pectel T6 ECU and Jenvey throttle bodies as well as a Raceline water rail, adjustable camshaft gears, a variable-camshaft-timing delete kit, and a Raceline wet sump kit. ~175hp @ 7000 ~132hp @ 5252 -
General Zetec powered Caterhams/7's discussion
Vovchandr replied to Vovchandr's topic in General Tech
A 2.0-liter Ford Zetec twin-cam inline-four was built and installed by the seller in 2002 at approximately 13.5k miles. The fuel-injected engine features TWM individual throttle bodies, an ITG air filter, Kent camshafts, and an Electromotive WinTEC II engine-management system. Dynamometer paperwork shows that the car produced 178 horsepower and 138 lb-ft of torque at the wheels in 2002 178hp @ 7100 ~130hp @ 5252 -
General Zetec powered Caterhams/7's discussion
Vovchandr replied to Vovchandr's topic in General Tech
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General Zetec powered Caterhams/7's discussion
Vovchandr replied to Vovchandr's topic in General Tech
I'm going to comb through some dyno sheets that I can see on auction sites and post them here for references Power comes from a Ford Zetec 2.0-liter DOHC inline-four that was reportedly rebuilt in 2019 by Road-N-Race Automotive of Riviera Beach, Florida, with a 2.2L Zetec bottom end and a ported cylinder head. Other modifications are said to include: 85mm JE pistons ACL rod bearings TWM throttle bodies Kent Cams camshafts Oversized valves ARP head studs Fidanza aluminum flywheel Upgraded ECU with a programable MicroSquirt system Replacement coil packs and injectors ~188hp peak @7400rpm ~140hp @ 5252 -
So.... who's the "winner"?
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You're just a wealth of knowledge NGK's are on the way. In meantime I'll keep master minding and thinking of more ways to partition/narrow down the issue
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Its likely wet and dumping fuel. I run rich, cylinder runs cold and I have an off hard throttle issue where I think cylinder(s) gets washed out for a few seconds and car stumbles. However I swapped injectors over today and the misfire didn't follow. If there is a fuel system issue on a single cylinder I'm not sure where it's coming from. I don't think when the standalone accounts for individual injector firings where one could be set different but could be wrong. My worst fear is swapping the motor and the issue remaining due to it being ECU or accessorie (fuel/ITB) related. If there is some other issue that can cause ombalane between cylinders fuel wise I'm all ears. ITBs were rebuild by the company recently and they redid the FPR. I could try putting old one back? Otherwise I'm getting 40psi on rail.
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These are on order now. They are nationally back ordered in places. RockAuto had them
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See the quote I'll paste below from late 2021. As you can see on the Thermal camera Cylinder #4 was cold and was a problem back then too. That was a test of both since the head gasket swap. Likely less than 500 miles on the car since then and 2 track days + tune done in mid 2022. I'll do one again soon for a sanity check but I don't expect results to be much different.
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Back in the game! And a (probably stupid) question.
Vovchandr replied to Saudio's topic in General Sevens Discussion
"What's the quickest way to get the right answer on the internet? Post a known wrong answer and you will quickly be corrected" That's two people that have amended my statement. While yet, it's incorrect, for the sake of a quick discussion with a stranger at the pump, this works far better than the pedantic minutia details of saying how it was the "13th design, but he kept number 7 open for it in his sometimes chronological naming convention of vehicles..." Thanks for the correction however. As I've said to the other party, I've said this so often, I actually forgot what the reality was. -
I'll DM you for that conversation
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Yeah my VCT did nothing, even before I put on the the adjustable cam gears per your advice. I'm open to options. If I can have a more healthy regular Zetec with some head work I'd be happy for a direct 1:1 swap. Just don't want to go through this and dyno 130whp again even if it runs better. Napkin math says a "170" crank hp engine, with ITB's and a better header would do better than my Zetec. I do have a quote from you saved from a long time ago explaining the differences to somebody "I am sure you are happy with it , Take a Zetec 12.1 with the same mods you have and you will have the same HP # as you have now with weeks less work , money , headachs Tha Zetec makes 130 The SVT makes 170 Thats a 40HP diff , 15 of that came from the header that been proven over and over again so that leaves 25HP , 10 came from the compression that leaves 15 , 5 came from the larger air box/snorkel , MAF and TB , That leaves 10hp , I feel an easy 5 of that came from the cams alone which leaves 5 HP I have allways said that a good combination working and tuned properly makes for slightly more HP , I am taking that last 5 HP and giving that mostly to a good working combination and the head I am very conservitive in my numbers above that I gave each part as you can see it leaves little performance coming from the head alone I have allways said the SVT heads exh side is the same as the Zetec head , the intake side is very nice and flows well BUT it doesnt do much good on the intake side if the exh side cannot get enough out to let more in Tom" & this to another person. "Its worthless to install the SVT head on the zetec engine for more performance Take the zetec you have , go to 10.0 compression , stg 2 cams with adj cam gears , SVT Inj , 65mm TB , a good tune and be done with it Tom"
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Here's a video. You can clearly hear the misfire at idle and then I pull the plugs 1 by 1. When I pull cylinder 4 plug it starts to sound normal instead of the "wob wob wob" type firing I've had since pretty much I've owned the car.
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Correct. I'd be swapping over to SVT from this, so a long block. I believe the ITB's should work on the SVT head as well. Worst case scenario, I'd settle for another Zetec. Not sure if you recall but the VCT has been disabled, so now it's just in the way.
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Swapped around the wires, moved around the injectors and still the same old same old. All have spark. #4 seems to run cold. Maybe a leak down test next...again. Maybe it's a cracked cylinder at the bottom of stroke and I'll never catch it. Either way wouldn't be surprised if I give up on this block by end of year. Don't have the time like I used to and frankly getting tired chasing the problem. @1turbofocus you have any SVTs laying around? In meantime swapped around oil filters and found one that works half decent compared to what an OEM stock long one would be. Wix51374. Didn't like Wix51394 that some recommend because it was physically smaller on the gasket size and overall diameter. Good news is, so far no cooling issues but haven't driven on street yet this year. Also for the first time properly scribed the mark for what 5L of oil should look like on the dipstick without accessories of Accusump or oil cooler and the lines. Goes right through the letter L on "full"
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Back in the game! And a (probably stupid) question.
Vovchandr replied to Saudio's topic in General Sevens Discussion
I tell people it's a continuation production of a 1957 Lotus 7, which was the 7th car owner of Lotus designed. It's still made to this day and mine is XXXX year. Rights were sold in 1973.
