xcarguy Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Thanks, Croc, for my morning read. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitcat Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Croc: Is the '99 Westfield above really a "pre-lit" se7en. I thought the litigation by Caterham v. Westfield ended in settlement in '87? And, as much as I like this yellow car (wh/is a lot), I suspect the ad is fibbing a bit. For instance, the seller claims the car weighs 900 lbs "wet". Maybe without the engine and drivetrain? Also claims the X-flow SuperSprint engine makes 160 hp. That is conceivable, but if it does, it is a very special X-flow (mine made 95 hp). Establishing what the "market'' price of any of our se7ens is challenging. Often they sell for amounts far less than advertised and we are none the wiser. Even if the Westfield here is as nice as it appears, $30K for an X-flow powered car seems a bit rich. I like the dry-sump, the quaife (tho it mite not be easy to potter around on the streets with that transmission), and I like the weather gear and the general presentaion. Maybe it's more realistic at $24K-25K tho? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVP66S Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Croc: Is the '99 Westfield above really a "pre-lit" se7en. Well, if you want to split hairs, 'pre-lit' could mean many things. There was Caterham vs Birkin in 1998, Caterham vs Westfield that was resolved in Dec '87, Caterham vs Tiger in 1990, Caterham vs RM Classics in 1992, and Caterham vs Robin Hood in 1994. There is a copy of these in the book: Lotus Seven and the Independents, which also mentions Westfield suing Tiger in 1990. But none of them are after '99, so the ad seems to me to mis-state that. On the other hand, Westfields can be identified by their different cast windshield post compared to the triangular supports on all the others. That feature started in '88 as far as I can tell, and the advertised car has the earlier supports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 I agree with the pre-lit discussion above - I used pre-lit because any other description seems wrong. It seems to be pre-lit in look but... its wrong year and it definitely does not look post-lit. So I am confused. The options that I think are most likely are 1) the year is wrong or 2) there was a production run post-lit but before the shift to fiberglass bodies that used up all the old parts - is this car one of thus lot? I think Johnch told me about these?, or 3) someone spent a lot of time and money converting a post-lit car into something resembling a pre-lit car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVP66S Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I agree with the pre-lit discussion above - I used pre-lit because any other description seems wrong. It seems to be pre-lit in look but... its wrong year and it definitely does not look post-lit. So I am confused. The options that I think are most likely are 1) the year is wrong or 2) there was a production run post-lit but before the shift to fiberglass bodies that used up all the old parts - is this car one of thus lot? I think Johnch told me about these?, or 3) someone spent a lot of time and money converting a post-lit car into something resembling a pre-lit car. I've done some research on this, but certainly not enough to be an expert. It is my understanding that, as of the agreement, Westfield's tooling was transferred to Caterham and Westfield agreed to immediately stop selling ".... cars under the name SEVEN, 7, and SUPER SEVEN or of substantially similar appearance...". Furthermore, in Caterham press release of December 1987 (of which there is a copy in the Ortenburger book (Lotus Seven and the Independents), Graham Nearn says "I am satisfied that the new Westfield SE is an independently designed car, that it will not cause confusion in the marketplace and that it will compete with the Caterham 7 on legitimate terms." The Caterham press release was signed by Chris Smith of Westfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airboy808 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 a S2 on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-Seven-S2-/252265312226?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3abc2f2fe2:g:lkAAAOSwUV9Wossq&item=252265312226 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanG Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 a S2 on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-Seven-S2-/252265312226?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3abc2f2fe2:g:lkAAAOSwUV9Wossq&item=252265312226 That is an appealing car. A bit of polish, some red interior trim... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcarguy Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 NEW, IMPROVED PRICING BOYS AND GIRLS!!!!! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-Seven-Sport-/262262639403?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3d10124b2b:g:XfcAAOSw5dNWqSo1&item=262262639403 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmustang Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 NEW, IMPROVED PRICING BOYS AND GIRLS!!!!! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-Seven-Sport-/262262639403?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3d10124b2b:g:XfcAAOSw5dNWqSo1&item=262262639403 Think he still has a ways to go pricing wise, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee break Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 NEW, IMPROVED PRICING BOYS AND GIRLS!!!!! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-Seven-Sport-/262262639403?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3d10124b2b:g:XfcAAOSw5dNWqSo1&item=262262639403 No tag, daily driver? Hmmm, doesn't add up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 Think he still has a ways to go pricing wise, don't you? Baby steps Bill, just baby steps! :seeya: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 Locost build utilizing some Caterham parts. The car is a scratch built car not a Caterham, Bikin, or westfield. I do have a full photo library of the build. It was built by a retired gentleman in Florida from 1999-2003 It is extremely solidly built. He sold it to a gentleman who raced it at road atlanta quite a bit. I bought it a little over 2 years ago and am the 3rd owner. I drive it on the road periodically, mainly just to work and home but I have taken it to a couple shows and auto crossed it once. I had it dyno tuned. It puts out about 130hp Toyota 4age 20v silvertop The rear axle and front spindles are alfa romeo (limited slip rear) Car has 16" Caterham 5 spoke wheels, and also comes with 15" caterham prisoner wheels front fenders are caterham cycle fenders, I have a set of matching Caterham rear fenders not yet installed. doors are Caterham SV doors. There is no top and there are no windshield wipers ( I do have all the stuff to make a top which will go with the car) Windshield is Lexan Has Tillet carbon fiber Caterham seats. Caterham exhaust shield Bushings in front suspension are poly which I installed when I bought the car. Aldan eagle adjustable coilover shocks all the way around Stewart Warner gauges. However speedo is a GPS based unit not a Stewart Warner gauge. Brakes were replaced with drilled rotors and new pads. Brake fluid was drained and replaced too. It's a great car and goes like hell. The toyota motor is indestructible. It comes with an spare T50 transmission as well All in all a great car that will turn heads and go like hell Flaws: The paint on the nose and rear fenders was done by previous owner with a spray can so it doesn't look real great in person. Aluminum on the sides could use some sanding. The car had numbers on it so the outline of the numbers can still be seen. Bidding current at $6300 with 3 days to go. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-Seven-fast-/252269097279?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3abc68f13f:g:5VMAAOSwvUlWqSsd&item=252269097279 Locost build autocross car not titled or street registered. But it now of $8000 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Other-/281920853074?forcerrptr=true&hash=item41a3cad452:g:jxkAAOSwqrtWm-0S&item=281920853074 Seven clone chassis that has been advertised for years on craigslist is now on Ebay. Starting bid is $4850 and from memory the craigslist ads always wanted $5850 for it. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Seven-early-7-CLONE-/151629236779?hash=item234dce8a2b:g:u8wAAOSw-7RVEZfq&vxp=mtr The "1980" Robin Hood is here at $29995. One of the forum members went and checked it out last week - hopefully he adds some commentary on here. I use quotation marks for the year as Robin Hood started in 1984... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-Seven-Sport-/262262639403?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3d10124b2b:g:XfcAAOSw5dNWqSo1&item=262262639403 Original Lotus 7 S2 1964. Original Lotus seven S2 1964, not a replica. Engine Ford CrossFlow 1600 CC. Engine completly renovated in 2005. General good state except : Front right light glass is broken, and little tag light doesn't light on. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-Seven-S2-/252265312226?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3abc2f2fe2:g:lkAAAOSwUV9Wossq&item=252265312226 Asking $24900 buy it now. Seems a good price for an honest little driver? SB1428 is the chassis number to check out. Anyone want a Corvette powered Radio Flyer? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Replica-Kit-Makes-350-Engine-Auto-Parade-Show-Car-/231827942875?forcerrptr=true&hash=item35fa05addb:g:O84AAOSwX~dWqUp0&item=231827942875 Westfield in OK still for sale. http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5382954449.html Stalker in TX back up for sale Robust, powerful, fun, excellent handling. This is an updated copy of a 1962 Lotus 7 roadster using American components. This is not a VW kit. Tubular frame, Buick fuel injected 3800 cc V6 (not supercharged), Tremec T5 5 spd transmission (Camaro), Chev. axle with limited slip, coil-over shocks, 4 disc brakes, Autometer Cobalt gauges. Price includes duck-tail trailer, tonneau cover, wing windows, side windows, and conventional emergency brake parts (not actually needed but left over). Asking $23000 http://easttexas.craigslist.org/cto/5411767782.html Another Stalker for sale, this time in San Jose. super stalker kit car from brunton automotive based in florida, this kit car is one of the quickest cars on the street and the quickest car ive ever driven. has 3.8 liter v6 super charged engine from a 98 buick regal grand sport. no smog required due to it being registered under sb100 (senate bill 100) so you can add unlimited power without worrying about smog restriction. currently has about 350 hp and weighs about 1500 lbs so if you know anything about power to weight ratio this is similar to a corvette with 800hp. on street tires it ran 0-60 time of 3.1 seconds and quarter mile of 10.8 seconds according to my g-tech accelerometer. although its more at home on road coarse racing. in my mostly stock 2005 Subaru sti I ran a 4.6 sec 0-60 time and 13.5 second quarter mile according to the same accelerometer so I have faith that its pretty accurate. it has a chevy s10 rear end with limited slip diff, adjustable front and rear coil overs, 5 speed manual transmission and the doors were of my own creation and can easily be taken off. I didn't get a chance to finish them but if you have any experience working with fiber glass and body filler it wouldn't take too much to finish, I was going to give them a fiber glass inner structure for rigidity, a latching mechanism and body filler for a smooth finish and they will be ready for paint. or you can just take them off and leave it as a roadster. it currently will run but it has a head gasket leak cuz the coolant keeps getting low so I was going to replace the head gasket. I have the gasket set but have not changed it yet, its fine for a test ride or to drive to your home if you don't live too far, otherwise you have to keep topping off the water every so often. I'm moving over seas this year and on the fence about taking it with me so if I don't get a good price then I will take it with me. Asking $25000 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/5423796604.html Dutton B+ project. It may be back together now with an engine. Previous ads were confusing in this respect. Still not sure exactly how much work is needed but it asks $5500. No title. http://toledo.craigslist.org/cto/5396631120.html Locost project using 2.3L Mustang 4 cyl. $6000 http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5421693436.html Locost build $28000 Lotus 7 Custom build -28000 OBO 442 Chassis plans-1200 pounds with fluids Chrome moly steel front suspension- Brushed Aluminum body- Toyota TC3 Engine- Toyota Transmission 5-Speed- Toyota Rear diff -- Toyota Brakes- Roll bar- Close ratio steering - Comodora Magnesium wheels- GAZ Hi performance adjustable coil shock set up- Collector's vehicle plate -- Registered as 1967 Lotus 7- Racing fuel cell Honda radiator with spam electronic setup- Tig welding- Show quality http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/5426782259.html 1974 Lotus 7 S4 $26500 in southern NJ. 1974 Lotus Seven S4, Steel Brothers of New Zealand, excellent original "survivor" condition, right hand drive, rare factory hard top, side curtains, new upholstery, Big-Valve twin cam, Lotus alloy wheels, successfully completed 3,000 mile "LA to NJ" cross country trek. Featured on recent LOG36 promotional video. I was also in the filming of the LOG video and saw it in person - a good honest reliable driver. Quite a comfy car with that body. http://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/5401477921.html 2016 Dax Rush seven replica kit asking $2700 All the parts needed to build a Super Seven sportscar body with chassis. The aluminium panels are all pre-cut, and molded to shape where needed. The fiberglass parts are all molded to shape as needed. Include's the wide wheel arche's The chassis is lightweight, and no welding required, it is also Black powdercoated, with a stainless steel roll bar. Suited for GSX Hayabusa engine. This is a British kit, designed for performance that will not disappoint. http://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/5413276327.html Don't forget that Hemmings and ClassicCars.com also have more ads - usually advertised under "Caterham" or "Lotus 7". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcarguy Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 The "1980" Robin Hood is here at $29995. One of the forum members went and checked it out last week - hopefully he adds some commentary on here. I use quotation marks for the year as Robin Hood started in 1984... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-Seven-Sport-/262262639403?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3d10124b2b:g:XfcAAOSw5dNWqSo1&item=262262639403 This Birkin makes the Robin Hood look like a real steal. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pre-Owned-Collectors-Dream-SO-BLACK-35cm-Hermes-BIRKIN-Bag-/222005699208?hash=item33b0922288:g:WDYAAOSwu4BVsYJY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 This Birkin makes the Robin Hood look like a real steal. It would help you be popular with the ladies! :cooldude: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcarguy Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Okay, Dundee, where's my morning read? :cuss: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted February 6, 2016 Author Share Posted February 6, 2016 Its turning up tomorrow - your wife texted and said you were needed for chores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted February 7, 2016 Author Share Posted February 7, 2016 Scratch built seven utilizing Caterham pieces. Toyota engine. Buy it now is $16k http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-Seven-fast-/252276868568?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3abcdf85d8:g:5VMAAOSwvUlWqSsd&item=252276868568 1964 Lotus 7 S2 SB1428 $24500 buy it now. Now its not a show queen but it looks a honest little driving car that would reward with some clean up and attention to cosmetics. RHD. Seems quite good value on the surface if the chassis number checks out? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-Seven-S2-/252274801106?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3abcbff9d2:g:lkAAAOSwUV9Wossq&item=252274801106 Nice looking Superformance S1 I am reluctantly offering my 2002 Superformance S1 for sale. This car has less than 14,000 miles and is registered as a 1960 Lotus Super Seven in Texas. The car is # 45 of a total production run of 53 cars. The car was manufactured in South Africa and shipped to the U.S. as a fully assembled vehicle. The engine and drive train were professionally installed. The car is in excellent condition. Superformance S1 Tube frame, 1,350 lbs with engine and transmission High quality fiberglass and aluminum body Front suspension is as adjustable as a pure open-wheel race car Rear suspension is a solid rear axel with Mumford link system to keep weight low Good sized lockable trunk (approx. 5 cubic feet) with a solid cover Car comes with removable doors, sliding windows and convertible top. Lockable glove box, fresh air ventilation with two speed fan assist, heat and a windshield with electronic defrost. The interior has a carbon fiber dash with oil pressure, tach, oil temp., water temp, speedo and clock. 10" steering wheel (removable and lockable) Seats are a great fit with 4 point Willans harnesses Two tone paint (black and silver) with chrome headlights, chrome gas cap and side exhaust. Custom car cover. Ford Z-tech 2 liter 16 valve duel overhead cam engine Weber Webcon Alpha Gold Fuel Injection 5 speed very smooth and fast shifting short throw Ford T-9 transmission 4 piston Willowood Calipers on all 4 wheels Dual master cylinders with brake bias adjustment http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-Seven-S1-/191797209419?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2ca801294b:g:VYYAAOSwoydWsKgT&item=191797209419 Current bid is $15600 with 2 days to run. Interesting Locost R1 powered IRS project in LA. Build thread is here http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=2837 Sale on Craigslist is here http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/5436829876.html Asking $9650 1995 Westfield is still available in OK. Ad mentions no price but owner has listed it on separate thread here. http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5382954449.html Locost project in KS City - will take $6000 http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5421693436.html Texas Stalker - V6. Been on this thread before. Asking $23000 http://easttexas.craigslist.org/cto/5411767782.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted February 7, 2016 Author Share Posted February 7, 2016 This next one is intriguing. Custom Build in the style of an Atom. 100% custom built. Designed from the ground. You can view more pictures and videos from my website / blog about the car. Modernkitcar dot com I did all of the design and fabrication work on this car. It was a 4 year project that was finished in the spring on 2015. Engine: 300+ HP Turbo-charged GM Ecotec (2008 model) (no internal modifications) Engine was bought with 15,000 miles and has about 10 track days on it...Runs like a top, no oil consumption, no knocking, plenty of room to add more power. Gets new oil every other track day. The tune on the engine is dialed in perfect, fuel trims are near zero, it can run wide open throttle in 80 degree F temps all day without getting hot or pulling power. The engine features forged pistons and connecting rods, high-pressure direct-fuel injection, variable intake and exhaust timing, aluminum block, sodium-filled exhaust valves. Trans: 5 speed manual. Can be easily converted to a 6 speed manual if desired. Has original clutch/flywheel. Transmission oil changed last summer. Weight: Comes in around 1500 lbs. About 60% Rear weight bias, like most Porsches Tires: Comes with Continental Race Slicks. Current tires have had about 10 track days on them I can offer to include a new set of 4 tires if price is right. Also comes with a set of street tires. Wheels: 17" Enkei, Fenders are made, but have not been installed/mounted. Front Brakes: Wilwood 4 Piston calipers No ABS (brake bias can be controlled with a cock-pit adjustable knob on-the-fly) (extra pads and rotors available) Rear Brakes: OEM Pontiac Solstice Calipers w/ park brake. Rear Brakes can easily be upgraded to Wilwood Calipers for more performance. (extra pads and rotors available) Parking Brake: Features a parking brake that is completely removeable (currently is) Exhaust: Comes with a "street" version which has muffler and high-flow cat. Also comes with a "race" version which is straight out of the turbo. Seating: 2 Corbeau FX1 Race seats with Scroth 6 pt harness on driver side. Passenger side has 4 pt harness currently, but can be upgraded with the purchase of a 6 pt. Roll Bar: Safety Roll Bar is designed with the rules and guidelines of the major race organizations Dash: Features a Google Nexus tablet that is completely configurable to display anything you want. You can check engine codes and erase codes from the dash display. It can display fuel level, RPM, Coolant Temp, Battery Voltage, Fuel Trims, Ignition Timing, Air Intake Temp, 0-60 times, Air/Fuel ratio (Wide band O2 sensor), Ground speed, GPS speed. You can also use it as a GPS navigation display. Includes push button starting. Upgrades are available for the Nexus dash if you want a more serious race-track timing setup (faster data logging/gps/etc). A backup camera can be installed that will automatically display on the dash tablet when the trans is put into reverse. Lighting: Comes with front and rear blinkers, Rear Brake lights, Reverse backup light, Daytime running lights, Headlights are Hi-output Xenon type (5000K) with hi & low beam. Electrical: The Engine uses the original GM ECU and has been tuned to run in the standalone application for this specific project. The majority of the engine harness wiring is untouched from the OEM. The chassis harness is contructed from high quality automotive wiring, neatly wire and encased in corrugated loop to protect it from any chaffing. The fuse box is custom made for this specific application and does allow for some additional power sources if required. The battery is a lightweight dry cell that can be disconnected with a master switch. The entire wiring diagram has been designed and is available on a pdf layout for troubleshooting. I have never had any electrical issues since the project has been completed. Fuel: Tank is a custom aluminum tank with internal baffles, uses the OEM GM Fuel Pump assembly. Always ran the fuel at the tracks which was 110 octane. You could convert this engine easily to run on ethanol if desired for more power output. Body: All of the body is made of fiberglass and all of the molds are available with the sale. Frame: Combination of DOM steel tube and Chromoly Tubing where necessary. Major stressed components are chromoly and TIG welded. The frame is powder-coated a semi-glass black Suspension: Front suspension features fully adjustable coil-over shocks with a push-rod setup. Rear suspension has fully-adjustable coil-over shocks, which are the same as the front, just different spring rates. This isn't the average "garage" build. A lot of time and thought have gone into this project with nothing spared. The goal was to have something that looked like it came off a production line, and the average person cannot tell it was home-built. I have an engineering degree and a background working for OEM automotive companies, I like to think that I have an eye for quality and I am a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to this kind of stuff. This is a very fun toy and it will not disappoint. There is much more room for improving the handling of the car, which will be dictated by the driver's driving style. The unique part is that everything is adjustable. Brake bias, Camber, caster, toe, etc. and it all is designed to be easily adjustable so changes can be made quickly. A custom string-alignment rack system comes with for dialing in the toe settings. The car has only been operated on the race track, but as you can tell, I have incorporated a lot of the features to make it street legal if desired by the new owner. The car has never been titled. [ATTACH=CONFIG]10418[/ATTACH] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Turbo-Racecar-2015-Like-Ariel-Atom-Lotus-7-300-HP-Trackday-Fun-/291675399303?forcerrptr=true&hash=item43e9356487:g:DtwAAOSwbdpWZvR0&item=291675399303 Asking $58000 buy it now Tod's 1974 Lotus 7 S4 asking $26500 in South Jersey. http://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/5401477921.html 2016 Dax Rush kit - asking $2700 http://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/5413276327.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off Road SHO Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 That Superformance S-1 is just like mine. He has his production numbers wrong though. They made 56 of these cars. I have #55. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrorider Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 It looks like someone might make a good buy on this car. Reserve has been met. I have car #13 and it is a great car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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