Vovchandr Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 50 minutes ago, Bruce K said: I don't believe those bidders were defying logic. There are many Atom models, each numerically higher model worth more than the preceding. An older Atom 2 with low miles just sold for $56K on BAT, which is about market value for several years now. Two weeks prior, an Atom 3 sold for $72K, but again, that was market. Look at the following BAT sales from several years ago: Recall that an Atom 3 Turbo compares favorably to a Caterham 620R, their top model. New, a 620R will set you back about $90K depending on options. I tried to buy a lightly used one a year ago, and couldn't drive the price lower than $85K. The BAC Mono has proven similarly resistant to depreciation. I am not disagreeing that used cars have increased in value - only that some cars, particularly the ultimate lightweights, have retained value well for years now. 2016 Ariel Atom 3S Turbo Sold for $76,100 on 2/19/21 846-Mile 2016 Ariel Atom 3S Sold for $79,000 on 9/2/20 2016 Ariel Atom 3S Sold for $72,000 on 6/30/20 I'm not disagreeing with the selling price. I'm disagreeing with the actions that lead up to it. They are certainly not normal if you look at the vast majority of the auctions which tend to follow a slow creep approach until somebody is out of budget and then you edge past him. Bidding $16k over last bidding price isn't normal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted July 24, 2022 Author Share Posted July 24, 2022 Week Beginning July 24, 2022 USA7s Cars for Sale Classifieds Cars For Sale - USA7s NEW Caterham No Reserve: Caterham Super Seven for sale on BaT Auctions - ending July 29 (Lot #80,001) | Bring a Trailer Caterham 2001 Caterham Super 7 for Sale - Cars & Bids (carsandbids.com) Birkin Marketplace - 1994 Birkin (Lotus) Seven | Facebook WCM Ultralite Marketplace - WCM ultralight s2k, caterham 7, Honda f20 motor | Facebook REPEATS Lotus 7 S2 1962 Lotus Super 7 Roadster | eBay and here 1962 Lotus Super Seven #2597601 | Hemmings Lotus 7 S4 1971 Lotus Seven | eBay and here 1971 Lotus Seven for Sale in LAKE LEELANAU, | RacingJunk Caterham 2003 Caterham Super 7 Wide Body Based On Lotus Seven #2592324 | Hemmings Westfield Pre-Lit 1983 Lotus Westfield Seven #2485207 | Hemmings Diva 7 1962 Lotus #2595486 | Hemmings Lotus 7 S2 1962 Lotus Super 7 for Sale in CHATSWORTH, CA | RacingJunk Caterham Marketplace - Caterham Super seven | Facebook Replica Project Marketplace - 1967 Lotus 7 rolling chassis | Facebook Replica Project Marketplace - 1970 Caterham NA · NA | Facebook Caterham Marketplace - 1980 Lotus Caterham Super Seven | Facebook Replica Marketplace - 1901 Lotus Lotus super 7 replica | Facebook Caterham Caterham Inventory — Beachman Racing Caterham (Website not always up to date - email) INVENTORY (rockymountaincaterham.com) Caterham 2011 Caterham Super 7 - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle... (craigslist.org) Caterham Lotus 7 /Caterham Super 7 SV - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle... (craigslist.org) Caterham Lotus Super 7/Caterham Super 7 S3 - cars & trucks - by owner -... (craigslist.org) Caterham Lotus Super 7/Caterham Super 7 S3 - cars & trucks - by owner -... (craigslist.org) Blakely 7 Lotus 7 1980 beautiful car - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle... (craigslist.org) CANADA Fejer 7 Lotus Super 7 Replica Kit Car. Fejer Bros. w/ Extra body. | Classic Cars | Owen Sound | Kijiji Eva 7 1990 Eva Sport | Cars & Trucks | Laval / North Shore | Kijiji Replica Lotus Seven | Cars & Trucks | Moncton | Kijiji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MV8 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 12 hours ago, Anaximander said: MV8, I am not sure in the least how my post would have suggested that I think it is OK to not follow through on the sale??? In fact, the winning bidder did in fact state that he/she was planning to pay for the car but was willing to sell the car that was successfully bid on for less that they planned to pay. This is what Gcarbid47 posted as the last comment of the sale: "Hi I purchased while driving, but having second thoughts as 2500 miles from me, fir a bit of a project. If any other bidders are interested let me know. Honoring the sale of course, will accept reasonable even lower offer 😏". I opined that this was a "class act". Please do not misrepresent my words. No problem at all; just conversation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce K Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 15 hours ago, Vovchandr said: I'm not disagreeing with the selling price. I'm disagreeing with the actions that lead up to it. They are certainly not normal if you look at the vast majority of the auctions which tend to follow a slow creep approach until somebody is out of budget and then you edge past him. Bidding $16k over last bidding price isn't normal. Perhaps, but if you know your bid is market price, and you want to end the process immediately, a 5 figure bid increase is certainly one way to do it. The only risk is that the buyers circling around do not know, or are unwilling to spend, market price. In that case, you could end up paying more than needed. However, with the universe of sophisticated bidders surrounding BAT now, I am not seeing this happen any more. When it's my money, however, I endure the time and tension required to win via incremental bids - but I'm old-school, and I know it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panamericano Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Bruce: "Perhaps, but if you know your bid is market price, and you want to end the process immediately, a 5 figure bid increase is certainly one way to do it. " That is often the point. I've seen it numerous times at live auctions. These things get very ego based. The guy thinks, 'This is too slow and tedious. I'm going to put my stamp of authority on this and no-one more will bid (bother me).' It could work or at least shut down those who are not going much higher. Or if the opponent (remember the ego) is not shy it may just speed up the climb to a high price, market correct or not. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 @panamericano I agree. It is a valid strategy to control tempo of bidding when you know what the ultimate price range will be. I will jump around bid increments to unsettle the other purchasers - out psyche them. But a 5 figure bid jump seems extreme on a sub $100k car. I only would do that on a heavy six figure car. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 Week Beginning July 31, 2022 USA7s Cars for Sale Classifieds Cars For Sale - USA7s NEW Lotus 7 S2 Marketplace - 1962 Lotus Super 7 | Facebook REPEATS Caterham 2001 Caterham Super 7 for Sale - Cars & Bids (carsandbids.com) Birkin Marketplace - 1994 Birkin (Lotus) Seven | Facebook WCM Ultralite Marketplace - WCM ultralight s2k, caterham 7, Honda f20 motor | Facebook Caterham Marketplace - 1980 Lotus Caterham Super 7 | Facebook Replica Marketplace - 1901 Lotus Lotus 7 replica | Facebook Replica Project Marketplace - 1967 Lotus 7 rolling chassis | Facebook Replica Project Marketplace - 1970 Caterham NA · NA | Facebook Caterham Marketplace - Caterham Super seven | Facebook Lotus 7 S2 1962 Lotus Super 7 Roadster | eBay and here 1962 Lotus Super Seven #2597601 | Hemmings Caterham 2003 Caterham Super 7 Wide Body Based On Lotus Seven #2592324 | Hemmings Westfield Pre-Lit 1983 Lotus Westfield Seven #2485207 | Hemmings Diva 7 1962 Lotus #2595486 | Hemmings Lotus 7 S4 1971 Lotus #2526952 | Hemmings and here 1971 Lotus Seven for Sale in LAKE LEELANAU, | RacingJunk Caterham Caterham Inventory — Beachman Racing Caterham (Website not always up to date - email) INVENTORY (rockymountaincaterham.com) Caterham 2011 Caterham Super 7 - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle... (craigslist.org) Caterham Lotus 7 /Caterham Super 7 SV - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle... (craigslist.org) Caterham Lotus Super 7/Caterham Super 7 S3 - cars & trucks - by owner -... (craigslist.org) CANADA Replica Lotus Seven | Cars & Trucks | Moncton | Kijiji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce K Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 To all - the following Super Seven was repaired by a friend of mine, who is now selling it for a friend of his. The car is listed on Hemmings. Following is the ad. Note that the price is negotiable. MANY additional images available: https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/super-seven/2605195.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCh Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 I removed the ad with photos from the post above. This thread is intended to identify se7ens advertised elsewhere and provide links to those advertisements. It is not intended to host those ads and associated photos. Those should live as individual threads so people can ask questions/discuss. Thanks, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce K Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Sorry, John - I was not aware of that restriction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCh Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 @Bruce KI tried to PM you about this but your inbox is full. You might want to clear out old messages. Thanks, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce K Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 All cleared! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted August 4, 2022 Author Share Posted August 4, 2022 Bringatrailer have two more sevens up for auction Caterham Caterham Super Seven for sale on BaT Auctions - ending August 9 (Lot #80,985) | Bring a Trailer Fejer in Canada Fejer Super Seven Roadster for sale on BaT Auctions - ending August 10 (Lot #81,085) | Bring a Trailer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian 7 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Fejer is about 30 minutes from me in case somebody wants me to go and buy it for them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted August 7, 2022 Author Share Posted August 7, 2022 Week Beginning August 7, 2022 USA7s Cars for Sale Classifieds Cars For Sale - USA7s NEW Caterham Caterham Super Seven for sale on BaT Auctions - ending August 9 (Lot #80,985) | Bring a Trailer Fejer Fejer Super Seven Roadster for sale on BaT Auctions - ending August 10 (Lot #81,085) | Bring a Trailer Diva 7 1957 Lotus Diva | eBay Replica Marketplace - Lotus 7 kit | Facebook Replica Marketplace - 1962 Lotus 2-Eleven | Facebook REPEATS Caterham 2003 Caterham Super 7 Wide Body Based On Lotus Seven #2592324 | Hemmings Caterham 1962 Lotus Super Seven Left Hand Drive Roadster #2605195 | Hemmings Caterham Caterham Super seven. - cars & trucks - by dealer - vehicle... (craigslist.org) Westfield Pre-Lit 1983 Lotus Westfield Seven #2485207 | Hemmings Lotus 7 S2 1962 Lotus Super Seven #2597601 | Hemmings and here 1962 Lotus Super 7 Roadster | eBay Diva 7 1962 Lotus #2595486 | Hemmings Lotus 7 S4 1971 Lotus #2526952 | Hemmings and here 1971 Lotus Seven | eBay and here 1971 Lotus Seven for Sale in LAKE LEELANAU, | RacingJunk Lotus 7 S2 Marketplace - 1962 Lotus Super 7 | Facebook Replica Project Marketplace - 1967 Lotus 7 rolling chassis | Facebook Replica Project Marketplace - 1970 Caterham NA · NA | Facebook WCM Ultralite 7 Marketplace - WCM ultralight s2k, caterham 7, Honda f20 motor | Facebook Replica Marketplace - 1901 Lotus Lotus 7 replica | Facebook Caterham (check in directly as website not always accurate) INVENTORY (rockymountaincaterham.com) Caterham Caterham Inventory — Beachman Racing Caterham Lotus Super 7/Caterham Super 7 S3 - cars & trucks - by owner -... (craigslist.org) Caterham Lotus Super 7/Caterham Super 7 S3 - cars & trucks - by owner -... (craigslist.org) CANADA Fejer 7 Fejer Super Seven Roadster for sale on BaT Auctions - ending August 10 (Lot #81,085) | Bring a Trailer Lotus 7 S3 Caterham Canada - LOTUS 7 S3 (7cars.ca) Replica Lotus Seven | Cars & Trucks | Moncton | Kijiji 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ropey Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Half a car posted here, hidden away in the auto part section of Seattle CL. Cheap, but a bit of a project ... Lotus 7 Series 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB455 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Ropey said: Half a car posted here, hidden away in the auto part section of Seattle CL. Cheap, but a bit of a project ... Lotus 7 Series 4 Looks like most of a car! Leaves you to get creative with the motor/trans without guilt. 😉 Really, it looks like a bargain to me for what you're getting. What's there looks savable. If it were close to me I'd check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted August 14, 2022 Author Share Posted August 14, 2022 Week Beginning August 14, 2022 USA7s Cars for Sale Classifieds Cars For Sale - USA7s NEW Westfield 1991 WESTFIELD Others SE SPORT ROADSTER - (COLLECTOR SERIES) | eBay Replica Marketplace - 2020 Lotus 7 Replica | Facebook Birkin 7 Marketplace - 1994 Birkin (Lotus) Seven | Facebook REPEATS Lotus 7 S4 1971 Lotus Seven | eBay and here 1971 Lotus #2526952 | Hemmings and here 1971 Lotus Seven for Sale in LAKE LEELANAU, | RacingJunk Diva 7 1957 Lotus Diva | eBay Lotus 7 S2 1962 Lotus Super 7 Roadster | eBay and here 1962 Lotus Super Seven #2597601 | Hemmings Caterham 2003 Caterham Super 7 Wide Body Based On Lotus Seven #2592324 | Hemmings Westfield Pre-Lit 1983 Lotus Westfield Seven #2485207 | Hemmings Caterham 1962 Lotus Super Seven Left Hand Drive Roadster #2605195 | Hemmings Diva 7 1962 Lotus #2595486 | Hemmings WCM Ultralite Marketplace - WCM ultralight s2k, caterham 7, Honda f20 motor | Facebook Replica Marketplace - 1901 Lotus Lotus 7 replica | Facebook Replica Project Marketplace - 1967 Lotus 7 rolling chassis | Facebook Replica Project Marketplace - 1970 Caterham Caterhamm | Facebook Caterham Marketplace - Caterham Super seven | Facebook and here Caterham Super seven. - cars & trucks - by dealer - vehicle... (craigslist.org) Lotus 7 S2 Marketplace - 1962 Lotus Super 7 | Facebook Caterham Caterham Inventory — Beachman Racing Caterham (check in directly as website not always accurate) INVENTORY (rockymountaincaterham.com) Caterham Lotus Super 7/Caterham Super 7 S3 - cars & trucks - by owner -... (craigslist.org) Caterham Lotus Super 7/Caterham Super 7 S3 - cars & trucks - by owner -... (craigslist.org) CANADA Lotus 7 S3 Caterham Canada - LOTUS 7 S3 (7cars.ca) Replica Lotus Seven | Cars & Trucks | Moncton | Kijiji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Not really a 7, but Holy Crap! https://bringatrailer.com/listing/turbocharged-k24a-powered-tube-frame-street-car/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB455 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, John B said: Not really a 7, but Holy Crap! https://bringatrailer.com/listing/turbocharged-k24a-powered-tube-frame-street-car/ Same car was listed in June and “sold” at $55k. Buyer backed out due to a fuel system leak. Must’ve been a hell of a leak to kill the sale. Edited August 18, 2022 by JB455 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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