Vovchandr

Not a bad idea. I completely forgot that there is a local place that does rebuilds that I used to send people to back in the day when I worked in autoparts. Not sure what their price would be. Maybe I'll rebuild the original as a backup

Our bill is in the mail for our consultation services.

NW WA Caterham Rally 2023

Finally got around to testing my replacement alternator that got me stranded. It also came up dead in bench testing even though I tested it before I put it in. Returned it and ordered a brand new unit instead of remanufactured this time. Lady behind the counter felt bad for me and gave me a 35% discount to make the new unit just over $200 instead of $100 for old unit. Rockauto would likely be cheaper but with things that might need return it's much easier to deal with a boxstore. Currently pending arrival and install. Glad this didn't happen at NJMP...

Wow, I'd never thought I'd witness "racism doesn't exist, I have a black friend" in person. You remind me of the saying "When you're accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression."

If praising Saddam for anything is a such a foul redline for you, you might want to reconsider who you praise “You know what he did well? He killed terrorists. He did that so good,” Trump said at a Tuesday night stop in North Carolina. “They didn’t read ’em the rights, they didn’t talk. They were a terrorist, it was over.” “He killed terrorists. He would shoot terrorists in the street. There were no terrorists.” “They had very few terrorists, because he didn’t want terrorists in Iraq, and he killed terrorists.” “Hussein throws a little gas, everyone goes crazy, ‘oh, he’s using gas.’ They go back, forth, it’s the same. And they were stabilized." Trump

Who had any of of these on their Bingo card? Burden of proof Ad populum Appeal to authority

Hahah, good call. I'm used to having arguments around 2A. This was just muscle memory. Thanks for the correction

Very well said. I don't have time to go deep into this but I really appreciate your perspective onto the matter. I would like to quickly say one thing where you ask what drove this whole discussion. If you go back to the source of all this you will see a slight nudge towards Bruce to reconsider bringing politics and controversial figures as a means of praise towards beloved Croc on the side of caution by multiple people. He double and tripled down, including bringing "freedom of speech" as defense of his clearly considered "right" to say whatever he wanted. His lack of nuance, misunderstanding of the 2nd amendment and the determination to double down has brought fourth the discussion that followed.

You keep stating it as a fact that I "attacked you" and how deeply offended you are. I've said it over and over again, that it was a compliment only. They might not have been the best chosen candidates I admit for my compliment but they had their strong points if you don't get too political. One was a proven strong leader and the other was very passionate towards his hobbies. There it no I'll intent as you keep insinuating wrongly and this compliment also caused you to attack me (attacking the man not the issue) by saying I have thin skin. As far as other "bad faith argument practices" it's amazing how many you've broken so far in this "constructive discussion" as a "champion debater". strawman slippery slope special pleading black or white false cause begging the question tu quoque the texas sharpshooter ambiguity For starters.

To be fair this is the first post in about 6 years to get Political (in the politics subjection) and I think the first mention of Trump in about 4 years. Ironically it came from a guy who "didn't want to get political"

A large portion of life is entertainment. Watching mental gymnastics is my form of entertainment. So far @Bruce K is getting 10/10/9 out of judges for the moves he's executing.

Don't try to rewrite history. First comment in regards to "thin skin" is written by you on Monday "Respondents like Vovchandr better stay away from paper and other sharp objects, given the thinness of their skin." In regards to "pretentiousness" I have never said those were your comments, but the fact that you assigned that to yourself is telling on your end. So be careful throwing stones from your glass house.

That is because for 3 pages now he's been stating that my well intented compliment is an attack on him, and is playing a victim to a ... Compliment. Hence the "unappreciated compliment" thread title. In the meantime I'm recovering from a hangover for playing a drinking game and taking a shot every time I read something that is pretentious in this thread. Still not sure how my compliment to him was by extension one to Trump? Do we have Mr Trump himself on the forum or do we just like putting words in other people's mouth while in the meantime not being accountable to our own?

Straight from the source!

I don't expect a single person here to dedicate time to watch these videos (also available in a podcast) but the The Carmudgeon Show touches on these keen points of what the new/next generations phase as car enthusiasts I enjoy listening to Jason (long time esteemed journalist) and Derek (long time certified older car expert) discuss such matters

I wouldn't be in a Caterham if not for good fortune in a few areas, but I knew I wanted a 7 type car for so long that I started with a Locost build over 15 years ago when I certainly was in no position to buy a Caterham. Most of the Z generation and millennials non car people, one of biggest factors for car purchase is how big screen is and whether it has Android Auto/carplay. Out of the enthusiast spectrum most don't want such a bare bones car with no safety or can't justify a spare toy car even if desire is there. Out of bikers like myself, it's a downgrade in many factors: slower, harder to store, can't lean, more expensive etc. For me, the car is a perfect match for my ethos of driving. My first car was a CRX and I love my NA Miatas, so a light weight bare bones car is right up my alley. @Croc who knows who will be picking up the mantle for all the relic cars that are supported now by older generations. Pre war cars, carburated muscle cars, early 90s cars etc. There will be far more survivor cars being passed down than there is interest and skill set to keep them going. Not to mention millennials and gen Zs in general would struggle to afford keeping a relic going even if they have interest. With house buying being lower even less people can maintain them on the cheap themselves and labor rates are insane to do work on an "extra" car.

That is true. This price is much easier to swallow for a multi use performance vehicle than an extra toy. Not to mention the complications of a limited run, limited support, Lucas filled British roadster.

2022 NJMP was right around the time that I was taking delivery for the new family member. We were on the waiting list for 9 months and the Mrs was not amused at the logistics of taking that delivery at NJMP instead of the predetermined location where we could do a proper PDI.

I've dealt with people like Bruce for decades now and my only expectations is entertainment and their public embarrassment via their hypocrisy, which I got. Nuance isn't their strong point. Thanks for playing.

Wait so your compliments should be judged on YOUR INTENT only but my compliments should be judged on PERCEPTION? but not my intent? This is preposterously unfair. I've stated over and over again my positive intention just like you stated yours. Either yours can be judged upon reception and then so can be mine or BOTH will be judged on INTENT only. You can't have it both ways, but you certainly are trying hard to. And it's not novels, it's me quoting you and calling you out on your own words which you do not back up or stand by. So I state again. Pick a lane.

Just so we are clear on the goal posts This sounded like a joke to you??? To me it certainly reads like "polite insistence, clear and simple"

Wow for a guy that demands respectful conversation you have made a number of personal attacks on me as a person while I have done nothing but give you compliments AND for a guy that loves to defend "freedom of speech" [on a private non government forum??] you love to tell others how they should speak. (Pick a lane here...) You don't seem to like my compliments and chose bad things from those people. I have never mentioned anything but positive attributes of passion and leadership, everything else is your words reading into the persona, not my compliment. My parallels are factual. Just because you close your eyes and claim that it's dark outside because you don't see the light, doesn't change the fact that it's daylight outside. Let's keep moving goal posts. "It's not an insult!!!" - Croc says it's a definite insult "You guys should have told me to change!!!" - 3 people have told you to change "I thought you guys were joking!!!" -...... You're right, you "couldnt imagine" comparing somebody to a very controversial figure as a compliment being taken as anything but one. Sympathy and empathy require imagination of putting yourself in other person shoes. You "couldn't imagine" that when you said what you said. However a good example is when somebody forced you into those shoes and you no longer had to "imagine" anything, now you lived it and guess what? You discovered how horrible it can be to be compared to somebody controversial even if they say that you should pick the best qualities of that controversial person! "Oh my". You certainly didn't seem to like it. There I saved you from having to try to use imagination and brought a horse to water.

@Bruce K Just because "you don't think this is the compliment I think it is", you need to see that these are "my compliments" and I never referenced anything negative and are indeed "favorable". I highlighted the positive qualities I think you or anybody else should be proud of to have regardless of the source. After all "we need free speech to be truly free, not contorted into attacks." Right? How can people go around and be offended while "free speech, thats truly free" exists? What kind of liberal paradise do you want this to be? As far as Trump, I think you missed the point where I highlighted that there are quite a number of parallels between both sexual abuser and responsible for deaths of people as part of being a strong leader and commander in chief requires. You're blaming us for you not altering the compliment? My very first reply was a hint that you should change it. You doubled down. Others have said you should change it. You stuck to it. Croc has said "That is a definite insult" and you STILL didn't change your simile. You own this, don't try to brush it off on others as their responsibility especially when it was clearly indicated that your comment isn't "the compliment you think it is".