The Regular Summary of Classified Ads of Se7ens Found For Sale

IamScotticus · September 30

10 hours ago, pethier said:

Waumandee hillclimb in Wisconsin?

Don't know. I didn't ask. Mostly talked about the Factory 5 kit they have (T65 Ford GT?). I'll give these guys a few more days to respond then I'll call again. Last time.

mrmustang · September 30

4 hours ago, IamScotticus said:

Don't know. I didn't ask. Mostly talked about the Factory 5 kit they have (T65 Ford GT?). I'll give these guys a few more days to respond then I'll call again. Last time.

Red flag here as FFR does not offer a Ford GT kit, 427SC, 289 FIA, Daytona Coupe, yes, Ford GT, T65 or any other name, sorry, no.

This is a T65 Ford

https://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/6/3/633-ford-gt-65.html

This type of "mixed conversation" is what caused my friend and I (as his adviser) to gently step away from the car and it's purported seller/owners.

Yes, really

Edited September 30 by mrmustang

theDreamer · September 30

39 minutes ago, mrmustang said:

Red flag here as FFR does not offer a Ford GT kit, 427SC, 289 FIA, Daytona Coupe, yes, Ford GT, T65 or any other name, sorry, no.

This is a T65 Ford

https://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/6/3/633-ford-gt-65.html

This type of "mixed conversation" is what caused my friend and I (as his adviser) to gently step away from the car and it's purported seller/owners.

Yes, really

Ah... maybe I am misunderstanding but is it possible that a "T65 Ford GT" might mean a Type 65 Daytona Coupe which ran in GT class?.

mrmustang · September 30

Just now, theDreamer said:

Ah... maybe I am misunderstanding but is it possible that a "T65 Ford GT" might mean a Type 65 Daytona Coupe which ran in GT class?.

Perhaps,yet, I still advise anyone interested in this car to lay their eyes on it in person. Better safe than sorry. :leaving:

San Augustine · September 30

It wasn’t a T65. It was an 818. Dean offered it to me and sent some pictures. If they are scammers they are using an interesting tack posing as geriatrics.

Sorry the pictures are upside down.

I found the same car on a previous BAT listing -Sold to someone with the user name Deanb110.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2013-factory-five-818-4/

Be that as it may - I would only conduct a transaction of this expense in person!

theDreamer · September 30

ah... Noway you mistake a Subaru powered 818 roadster for a Ford anything! I agree, see it first, talk later.

pethier · October 1

Cathy likes the Factory Five Racing 818S better than the Birkin. She thinks the Birkin is ugly by comparison. She called the 818S a "Fab Five" on the telephone. This does not surprise me since she reported to me also that Dean had a Lotus "Elsie". Then she texted me a picture of the 818S. The picture is from the BAT auction.

Dean has apparently run several autocross events around here in various cars. I have found a record of an MR2 at Amery Airport.

I have more autocross records to check, but I have to scamper and measure a house door in another city.

Edited October 1 by pethier
multiple cascading errors from typing too fast

IamScotticus · October 1

Yes, 818, my mistake

pethier · October 2

The engine in the Mora car. What engine is this, 2000cc or maybe something else? Is this a RaceLine head or something else? The location of the coolant cap makes me wonder what this is.

pethier · October 2

On 10/1/2025 at 1:31 PM, pethier said:

Cathy likes the Factory Five Racing 818S better than the Birkin. She thinks the Birkin is ugly by comparison. She called the 818S a "Fab Five" on the telephone. This does not surprise me since she reported to me also that Dean had a Lotus "Elsie". Then she texted me a picture of the 818S. The picture is from the BAT auction.

Dean has apparently run several autocross events around here in various cars. I have found a record of an MR2 at Amery Airport.

I have more autocross records to check, but I have to scamper and measure a house door in another city.

I have some pix of the Factory Five Racing 818S, but I have one foot in a track shoe right now.

w650gb500 · October 2

Raceline

11Budlite · October 2

That's a Raceline water rail but that doesn't mean it's a Raceline engine or cylinder head. I had the same water rail on my Birkin with a Zetec engine but it was basically a stock Ford engine with some external mods. See photo of my Zetec from the earlier 95-97 Ford Contour design, called a ZX1.

You'd probably have to remove the valve cover and check what cams it has, to see if it had more Raceline hardware in that engine.

Edited October 2 by 11Budlite

Kitcat · October 2

Bruce: that is one clean engine bay!

11Budlite · October 2

2 hours ago, Kitcat said:

Bruce: that is one clean engine bay!

Thanks Mike. I spent a lot of time putting that together, but was very happy with the results. I was disappointed I had to sell it back in 2015, but I'm really enjoying my Caterham now!

pethier · October 3

5 hours ago, 11Budlite said:

That's a Raceline water rail but that doesn't mean it's a Raceline engine or cylinder head. I had the same water rail on my Birkin with a Zetec engine but it was basically a stock Ford engine with some external mods. See photo of my Zetec from the earlier 95-97 Ford Contour design, called a ZX1.

You'd probably have to remove the valve cover and check what cams it has, to see if it had more Raceline hardware in that engine.

OK, water rail. Explains the different fill location. Is that common on a Birkin?

Is this then a 2000cc Zetec?

Looks like the same throttle bodies Dean has also.

pethier · October 3

On 9/30/2025 at 9:26 AM, IamScotticus said:

Don't know. I didn't ask. Mostly talked about the Factory 5 kit they have (T65 Ford GT?). I'll give these guys a few more days to respond then I'll call again. Last time.

Kathy remembers talking to "Scott".

Edited October 3 by pethier

pethier · October 3

On 9/28/2025 at 8:00 PM, IamScotticus said:

I just talked to the sellers. Cathy and Dean are real. (Birkin?) just ran a hill climb.

It was the Waumandee hillclimb in Wisconsin. Tom Hazen used to be the EM for several driving events for the Minnesota Austin-Healey Club. I ran several cars in them (in more than one Afton Alps Ski Area hillclimb I had the fastest time in an un-supercharged car, my Europa). I had the fastest autocross time in an automobile at the Amery Airport autocross/speed-run one time (I do not consider shifter-karts "automobiles".

When Tom started up the Waumandee hillclimb the insurance folks demanded cars only up to a model year older than both my 2005 Elise and my wife's 1973 Stag. I wound up never running that event, and kinda stopped paying attention to it. Now Dean and Kathy tell me the event accepts any car 20 years old and also they are starting to accept motorcycles. FTD last week was some young guy in a BMW (I assume car). I have not seen a results sheet.

pethier · October 3

1 hour ago, pethier said:

It was the Waumandee hillclimb in Wisconsin. Tom Hazen used to be the EM for several driving events for the Minnesota Austin-Healey Club. I ran several cars in them (in more than one Afton Alps Ski Area hillclimb I had the fastest time in an un-supercharged car, my Europa). I had the fastest autocross time in an automobile at the Amery Airport autocross/speed-run one time (I do not consider shifter-karts "automobiles").

When Tom started up the Waumandee hillclimb the insurance folks demanded cars only up to a model year older than both my 2005 Elise and my wife's 1973 Stag. I wound up never running that event, and kinda stopped paying attention to it. Now Dean and Kathy tell me the event accepts any car 20 years old and also they are starting to accept motorcycles. FTD last week was some young guy in a BMW (I assume car). I have not seen a results sheet.

Oops. Those feats were in my Elise. The Europa did OK in the earlier events.. I think my worst showing was when Hazen convinced me to drive his Sprite.

I just checked the Internet, and there is a listing of Wamandee events AND the Afton events.

https://waumandeetimetrials.com/results/

Afton Alps was happy to continue, but one person on some government body or other was going to refuse to vote to renew their permit for special events unless motorized events were prohibited. I can't blame Afton Alps for agreeing. They made a fortune off of "Mud Dash" events. That's what got Tom to start looking for a replacement, and he came up with Waumandee. He has worked very hard on this year after year.

Of course the reason I searched the Internet to find this was for Dean. He was there for several events over the years. It looks like his best years were 2016 and 2022. I believe Kathy was there at Waumandee this year. She really likes Hazen, and his charismatic presentation of the rules.

BTW, Afton Hillclimb was not on a ski hill. As you approach Afton Alps in your car, you are at the general elevation of this part of Minnesota. You drive in past the golf course. then you drive down a steep asphalt road (into the Saint Croix River valley) marked with a sign: "USE LOW GEAR" to discourage incidents with school busses and the like. At the bottom of the hill is a big asphalt lot with ticket kiosks. There are several footbridges across a stream to the chalet. Beyond the chalet there is a large parking area where the hillcllimb participants and spectators would park. The entire lot where the kiosks reside would be used for autocross. You start on a countdown which is heard on radio by the timing folks at the top of the hill. You proceed through an autocross on this flat area between the stream and the ski-lifts through a figure-8, past the kiosks, into a right which feeds a sweeping 180 and then up the hill. There are a few chicanes and one left bend in the road (that my cars never needed a lift for, just a prayer that there were no deer in the road) and up to the line at the top where they stopped your time for the entire course.

Amery was different: There was a tight autocross on the apron which was timed separate from the speed-run. Time ended just as you started the straight-line speed-run on a taxiway which was scored by the readings from a radar gun. In later years, there were electronic timers for the autocross part. Course layouts varied from event to event, as did the location of the speed-run finish.

Neither event had a return road.

Edited October 3 by pethier