Croc

A bunch of cars on Hemmings although their format does not remove their cars once sold so some of these may no longer be available. http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/caterham/super-7/1843275.html http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/super-seven/1868023.html http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/7/1865338.html http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/super-seven/1864119.html http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/1861752.html http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/super-seven/1857071.html http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/super-seven/1843916.html http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/1832388.html http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/1827972.html Classiccars.com also has a few https://classiccars.com/listings/view/715384/1969-lotus-seven-for-sale-in-spokane-washington-99208 plus this one. Is this the latest Stalker iteration with more integrated rounded body? EDITED TO ADD: no its not. Asking $26500 https://classiccars.com/listings/view/892840/1957-lotus-super-seven-replica-for-sale-in-gladstone-oregon-97027 The rear end shot almost is Cobra replica type? Can anyone identify this one?

This week's updates BAT listed a CA 2002 zetec Caterham. The comments as always are entertaining - its good to see at least one poster (probably also on this forum) knows what they are talking about! http://www.usa7s.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11613&stc=1 http://bringatrailer.com/listing/19662002-caterham-super-seven-dedion/ The 1959 L7 S1 is still up for auction here although the mob consensus seems to be building towards its got authenticity issues. http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1959-lotus7-series-one/ 2008 Stalker here at $39k and change http://www.ebay.com/itm/Replica-Kit-Makes-Brunton-Superstalker-Super-Stalker-/331947532648?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4d499d6168:g:GRsAAOSwOVpXYp8V&item=331947532648 Heres a new one this week. 2005 Ultralite in yellow with blue nose band and bonnet stripe. VTEC engine and gearbox. Being sold by a dealer in St Charles MO so be ready for over the top breathlessness in the ad. Comes with an "aloominum" trailer. Presents very well. http://dealeraccelerate-all.s3.amazonaws.com/fastlane/images/1/1/1/5/1115/37496_ec028869bc_low_res.jpg Asking $29995 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Other-Makes-Ultralite-S2K-/351821084642?forcerrptr=true&hash=item51ea2bb7e2:g:I3wAAOSwIgNXwFyB&item=351821084642 One of the more discreet Stalkers out there is up for sale (no Shane, not you). 2007 kit finished 2010. http://www.usa7s.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11615&stc=1 Supercharged V6, T5, Detroit Locker diff, bolt on cage, bikini top for road. Well set up for autox. A subtle discreet color scheme comes standard. Asking $22k BIN. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-Seven-/191953264337?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2cb14e5ed1:g:M9cAAOSwdzVXvbOn&item=191953264337 Anyone want a slightly slower Seven? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Austin-Seven-/232058833160?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3607c8c908:g:CMAAAOSw9NdXvemL&item=232058833160 Lotus 7 S4 in yellow at a consignment dealer (which explains why I see it each week...) $25k http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-Seven-S4-/282144405225?forcerrptr=true&hash=item41b11df6e9:g:v9wAAOSwHoFXuXOE&item=282144405225 Another yellow dealer one - Westfield pre-lit this time. $30k http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-7-Series-3-/162167705376?forcerrptr=true&hash=item25c1f2cf20:g:E0cAAOSwMtxXvdAT&item=162167705376 The Stalker group is out today. Purple one here. Ooooh! trash talking! My type of seller! Has to be the first time someone ever said you need a big set of balls to drive a Buick engined car? Change of underwear I get - I drove a Hertz Buick once and it wandered all over the road like a Crown Victoria taxi. Located in NY State. Bid at $6k with 2 days to run and only 8 bids and no watchers. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Other-/182255233746?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2a6f422ad2:g:vMIAAOSw0UdXreSB&item=182255233746 2005 Birkin at $23k in TX http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/5702197906.html 1978 Caterham in CA. 1600 crossflow. Full weather kit included plus a leather flying helmet and goggles. Asking $27500 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/5744214130.html?lang=tl 2011 Lotus T128 F1 car with 2013 Caterham body Some clone chassis been for sale for years http://huntsville.craigslist.org/cto/5679160416.html Anyone need an exhaust for a Superformance S1? http://columbus.craigslist.org/pts/5710251279.html Lotus 7 S4 in GM pearl white with BDR $23900 http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5702728214.html It says it is a 1962 Lotus 7 but some details make it clear to me it is a replica of some kind. Not sure of the maker? Asking $18k http://hickory.craigslist.org/cto/5721119519.html Whizzy's Westfield is here $18950 http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5707516223.html

PM sent.

I love the site. I used the Daytona Historics page as a reference point once when restoring my BMW CSL. I had no idea it was your father's website. Very well done! Would he have been taking race photos back in 1976-1980 timeframe? I am looking for some IMSA/Trans AM photos of a specific car.

Stewart may still need his back brace while the spine fuses/heals plus a wheel chair and, for very short lurches, the crutches, but he did try out his Caterham for the first time since the accident. http://www.usa7s.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11596&stc=1 Way to go!!!! :hurray:

Stalker in Albany new york for $22k http://albany.craigslist.org/cto/5727688566.html ah! here it is with photos in this ad http://syracuse.craigslist.org/cto/5722413472.html Hmmm....1962 Lotus 7 but I guess it is a replica? http://www.usa7s.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11546&stc=1 Asking $18k http://hickory.craigslist.org/cto/5721119519.html Lotus 7 replica for $19k http://www.usa7s.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11547&stc=1 https://fortcollins.craigslist.org/cto/5719314552.html Lotus 7 S4 in GM pearl white in CO with BDR is still for sale at $23900 http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5702728214.html Whizzy's Westfield at $18950 http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5707516223.html Lemmings has a bunch of ads http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/caterham/super-7/1843275.html http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/7/1865338.html http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/super-seven/1864119.html http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/1861752.html Gorgeous cars but as with any original Lotus 7 like the above you should make sure you do your homework on originality. http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/super-seven/1857071.html http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/super-seven/1843916.html http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/1832388.html http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/1827972.html Better photos of the Fantasy Junction car are here http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/1892-Lotus-7%20Series%20I-1200cc%20Inline%204-Cyl

Steve (Bball on here) has a Mallock. Hope to see it one day. Anyway, this track rat has a new toy freshly finished from a 2 year restoration that he desperately wants to try out on track but I have to wait until late September when I can next get out. Cars this week Virtually new 2014 Caterham 270 (so 135 hp thereabouts) at $45800 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-Other-270-SV-/391525507438?forcerrptr=true&hash=item5b28bd216e:g:EiAAAOSwnQhXpNls&item=391525507438 Looks like Tom at Birkin USA needs to clear the company demonstrator! Nice spec: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-Seven-S3-/191937164568?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2cb058b518:g:u2IAAOSwA3tXoU1l&item=191937164568 Where's Jay? - this looks like your ideal spec! 1999 Westfield S1, crossflow, 5 speed. Like the color - Ferrari Faded Yellow? Not sure why you need an engine vent lower right side? The price on this one after many months/years is finally coming down towards a range where it can be considered seriously - now at $27k http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-7-Series-3-/162167705376?forcerrptr=true&hash=item25c1f2cf20:g:QK4AAOSwawpXroju&item=162167705376 1972 Lotus 7 S4 yellow. Another one seemingly around for months/years but at $25k. Long way down from the circa $40k it originally wanted. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-Seven-S4-/272340996713?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3f68c9d269:g:s~MAAOSw-itXsDQ7&item=272340996713 1961 Lotus 7 S2 in CA. Bidding at $12k currently. Needs some cosmetics - in original condition. The chassis plate is interesting - never seen one filled out like that before. I wonder if that was done for the importation? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Other-/162169407024?forcerrptr=true&hash=item25c20cc630:g:hnAAAOSwHoFXsNG6&item=162169407024 also here http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/cto/5720370907.html 2005 Birkin at $26k in TX http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/5702197906.html 2013 Caterham R500 in TX with just 294 miles on it for $50k. F1 scheme paintwork. Has anyone called asking for more info on this one? http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/5717861649.html 2007 Brunton Super Storker asking $30k in TX. No photos but 2007 black and white body should be easily findable on the Stalker build forum. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/5727518779.html Craigslist search is not working properly thanks to Google capping the limit of cities that can be searched. https://searchtempest.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205166587-The-results-load-slowly- So I bet I am missing lots of cars today.

I can definitely say that a July 4 long weekend on the Thunderbolt track will not happen. The bike group have a lock on that track that weekend since the track opened and they are locked in permanently - sadly for us. Tom and I will have the debate over alternative weekend dates and track options when the schedule gets published in January 2017 (or if we re lucky maybe December 2016).

Geez Busa that looks mean! I like the detail of the 4 exhaust outlet. Hope your health is remaining good? Any improvement so you can keep driving?

I read your original post so I know they existed at one point! Thats really strange.

I am not sure its the imported engine that makes over 25 year old cars difficult to register. Its just that many states are clueless with dealing with them even when you have the right CBP import paperwork. Some states cannot handle non-US titles or documents with different languages even when you have a legal attorney certified translation. John's suggestion above is a sensible one especially since seven values in western Europe stay very strong given the difficulty in getting new ones on the road and their high prices when new. So you could buy and drive for a few years and not really lose out. Then buy another one in the US when you arrive without having all the hassle and cost of importing a car. For buying a seven are you factoring in the cost to bring it over in a container? Import fees? Clearance fees? CBP tax grabs? You would probably need your own 20 foot container for car and I assume household objects since shippers don't like to share out containers for mixed loads (car and household - but they will do it for each on their own). So this adds to the cost you are investing into the car which is instant depreciation once the car hits stateside. If you still did want to bring a car over as a personal import then for your cars linked, I would try to stay with a car that will help your resale value state side. So the Westfield is definitely overvalued relative to the US once you convert Euro into Dollars. The Donky's you link are reasonably priced, are attractive, well made, very competent cars, etc. but you will be on your own for support and even if you are unfazed by this, a potential US purchaser after you will probably be. Was not sure about the manufacturer of the other two.

Thats nice! Great color. Why have you got a kmh speedo? Caterham have the mph speedo for US cars. Or was yours sourced from an alternative sales channel?

Oh no...you cannot do that to us....we want photos to check out your new ride! :cooldude:

John - Why Emerald and not Westfield for a wiring harness for a Westfield? Naughty boy - you been sliding around on the roads again? :iamwithstupid:

Oh look! In the second photo I see Bessie the Seven. She was always a classy lady on this Forum! Sorry Al, I know you hate that name, but I could not resist The red and ali Birkin looks to be Dave H's.

From all the sale prices I have seen over the last few years I constructed percentage depreciation curves for Caterham, Birkin, Westfield, and Stalker. Caterham and Birkin are close enough to be largely the same when the depreciation curves are expressed as percentages. Maybe the earlier years for Caterham are less steep than Birkin but that sorts itself out as you add more years of age. Westfield curves are not meaningful since there are so few. Stalker curves give meaningless results given the shift from V6's to V8s in recent years - more time and sales needed there to sort out something reliable. Of course when you apply those percentage curves to starting dollars the dollar value is going to be higher in a Caterham at any age point simply because the starting dollar value/price was higher. That should not be taken as proof that Caterhams hold their value better - higher dollar value just means that the original purchaser paid more dollars for their Caterham than the original Birkin purchaser. It also means that Birkins will fall into your designated price point at an earlier age in their life. Depreciation and its relation, resale value, is very much affected by: - the economy - season of the year (higher in Summer) - the maintenance level and quality of presentation - amount of investment by the owner during their ownership - the state of title - the generally limited number of sales which creates statistical volatility Even geography plays an influence as there is a distinct East versus West coast trend. I think there is a small SB100 premium in CA cars for buyers from that state - legacy of the perceived hassles in getting an SB100 pass? At your price point of $25k whether you buy the circa 10yo Birkin or the circa 15+ year Caterham S3 (usually a classic or very early Zetec) then a 3 year ownership depreciation is going to lose you somewhere around $2k at most (give or take) if you keep the car at its current level or better. There is a good chance your actual depreciation is zero over that period if you choose a desirable car that will be easier to sell and put some modest improvements on it. Last time I expressed these views on this forum I was flamed badly - lets see if I start the same again! Always from the Caterham owners... :jester:

This is the type of ad where you know you don't want to buy sight unseen!

Birkin Direct USA (Tom Carlin) is the official US and Canada importer for Birkin. Yes all imports go through them. Give him a call - a top guy in my dealings!

I got an attorney to opine on this issue during my import process of a few (too many) cars that had some classification issues requiring sorting. The answer is that no it cannot change status once it is in the country. It needs to be exported and then re-imported. It comes down to the car classification and paperwork issued at time of import. The import approval forms come as a package and show which classification of import the car entered the US under. Its then a case of once a duck always a duck. If you import as an over 25 year old car then you receive (amongst many other forms) - a CBP Form 3461 which shows it is a valid import. Form 3461 is attached with EPA3520-1 which shows what category of import for EPA purposes (i.e. over 21 year old gets EPA exempted so it can be acceptable for road use) plus your HS-7 form which shows what category the car was imported under. States want the entirety of the customs import approval package for title/registration as this shows that it is not an imported race car being registered as a regular car. Some states also insist on having a foreign title for the vehicle to surrender for a state title (makes it fun/impossible when you have a no-title country). If you brought a car in under the race or show&tell category then their paperwork approving import would be critically different as it will show different classification for import or EPA treatment. Remember also that EPA require their pre-approval prior to import of any race cars. So trying to bring in a regular road car under 25 years old will not fly since it will not look like a "race car" plus you cannot show the evidence of how it will fit into existing race classes (since I bet there are no others currently racing). My attorney advised against trying to argue that an under 25 year old road car was being brought to the US for preparation as a race car since the EPA always reject that from his past experience. But thats not the way you want to go anyway. The only way to modify import paperwork package from a race/show import to show it as an over 25 year old car is to export and re-import. This would then produce a completely new documentation package showing the correct classification as over 25 years old and show the correct EPA exemption classification on that form. There are time delays around export and re-import cycling times but I have not gone into that in detail as I approached things by waiting for the 25 year mark to hit. I suggest finding a friendly CBP person who can take you through the intricacies for your situation specifics. It may take a few calls but they are out there. I am happy to talk you through the actual paperwork trail from my various cars by phone when I get back in the country in late August - PM if you want that.

Its track only. Over 25 years old? No. Then needs to comply with the NHTSA/EPA rules governing new cars. No chance of that. These cannot be disassembled as they fall foul of Sean's (very memorable) "virgin" rule. Once together then must stay together (i.e. once fu...then never a virgin again...). So race only for import purposes. Need the EPA certification/approval prior to import. That can take some time. Do you have a race license and history of races and/or track time. But I have heard these cars have had a hard life.... I know people in Turkey. One of my good colleagues from NY is now there running a big chain of rug sellers of all things. :cooldude: For shipping I would trust my friends at Cosdel. For fraud, I look at anything in Pennsylvania! :jester:

Thank you for filling in the price sold. I knew it had been up for sale before but could not find when in my notes but I have located it now. Seems an ambitious flip to make an 75% gain in a few months for not much apparent change in the car? We will have to see how that plays out. Lovely looking thing - I like the gold wheels with the red.

Bifkin? No that was only the name for Kitcat's Birkin. :jester: MightyMike's old Birkin in great shape http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2001-birkin-s3/ Brenton Super Stalker. Price is beginning to move down -now at $38k http://www.ebay.com/itm/Replica-Kit-Makes-Brunton-Superstalker-Super-Stalker-/331921292068?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4d480cfb24:g:GRsAAOSwOVpXYp8V&item=331921292068 Nice S2 back from last week. Kudos to seller for highlighting uncertain provenance http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-7-/331917121973?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4d47cd59b5:g:Ff4AAOSwEjFXfwFn&item=331917121973 The world's most modified Superformance S1 makes another appearance at $38k http://www.ebay.com/itm/Other-Makes-/331921292071?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4d480cfb27:g:ohkAAOSwoBtW1uMP&item=331921292071 The yellow Lotus 7 S4 is now down to $26k (rounded). If its condition is as pristine as dealer described then we are in the upper end of the range for the right value for this car. If not then a physical inspection allows a negotiation to get it to the right price. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lotus-Super-Seven-S4-/282112703539?forcerrptr=true&hash=item41af3a3c33:g:eUwAAOSwTZ1Xlj1L&item=282112703539 and here http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/super-seven/1783033.html Its not a seven but it is for the pilots who are on this forum http://www.ebay.com/itm/Replica-Kit-Makes-Jet-Car-READY-FOR-HOLLYWOOD-/112068143676?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1a17c82a3c:g:7FQAAOSwARZXlArs&item=112068143676 Fancy buying a production slot waitlist for a customized seven race car? http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Lotus-7-race-car-by-Paragon-Autosport-L7R-2-0L-Ford-Ecoboost-Replica-/182220537614?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2a6d30bf0e:g:FcUAAOSw0fhXjkFs&item=182220537614 2005 Birkin S3 for $26k in TX http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/5702168252.html 2001 Caterham S3 with some select track mods for $45k in CA http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/5685282889.html 1988 crossflow Caterham in prisoner colors in CA for $23500 https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/5664821655.html Superformance S1 in NC in a fetching shade of deep blue. Needs engine and transmission installed. S2000 kit supplied. Needs love $24k. Just needs http://greensboro.craigslist.org/cto/5693628735.html Superformance S1 in TX in a fetching shade of deep blue. Does not appear to have needs. $20k http://lubbock.craigslist.org/cto/5688903374.html Yet another 2002 Superformance S1 zetec in a very nice maroon. At Wire Wheels $22900 http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/superformance/s1-roadster/1856884.html 1990 Westfield RHD crossflow $15k Has to be worth a look at that price. I am sure the monster aero wing could be removed easily. Car in FL? https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/5671068808.html and http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/5671091265.html Whizzy's Westfield $18950 https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5707516223.html Lotus 7 S4 $1500. Needs work.... http://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/cto/5690463254.html 1996 Caterham classic crossflow in prisoner colors at $34900 in OH http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/caterham/super-7/1843275.html 1999 Caterham classic in prisoner colors, crossflow $28000 in CA http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/caterham/1858372.html Lotus 7 S4 at Wirewheel $22900 http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/super-seven/1857071.html 1963 Lotus Seven in red. Race provenance according to the ad. Located Calgary Alberta US$39750 http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/55618959-770-0@2x.jpg?rev=1 http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/super-seven/1843916.html 1980 Robin Hood in Atlanta http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/super-seven/1838524.html Stalker V6 TX $18500 http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/1832388.html 1969 Lotus 7 - no photos in ad of actual car. CA located. $22k http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/1827972.html Superformance S1 $29900 http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/super-seven/1810916.html A grab bag of others http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/super-seven/1800207.html http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/super-seven/1763637.html https://classiccars.com/listings/view/715384/1969-lotus-seven-for-sale-in-spokane-washington-99208 Have fun without me on this thread for 3 weeks. I am off to Italy to work on a few things.:seeya:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/mjohnson555/seats/CSR/2016%20Sevens%20Event%20at%20NJMP/WSPS-NJMPDC-070216-0109_10_zpsfco2z4s6.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/mjohnson555/seats/CSR/2016%20Sevens%20Event%20at%20NJMP/WSPS-NJMPDC-070216-0120_10_zpsxlfkx3pn.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/mjohnson555/seats/CSR/2016%20Sevens%20Event%20at%20NJMP/WSPS-NJMPDC-070216-0144_10_zpsr5w1kt2p.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/mjohnson555/seats/CSR/2016%20Sevens%20Event%20at%20NJMP/WSPS-NJMPDC-070216-0105_10_zpsumzxhf04.jpg

For those of you who participated, I just sent around the 2 group photos in high quality printable format. If you are interested in the other photos taken by Mike Woellner of Windshadow Photography then check out the following link: http://www.windshadowstudios.net/njmp-dc-070216 A sampling here: http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/mjohnson555/seats/CSR/2016%20Sevens%20Event%20at%20NJMP/WSPS-NJMPDC-070216-0002_10_zpsmfsegfyi.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/mjohnson555/seats/CSR/2016%20Sevens%20Event%20at%20NJMP/WSPS-NJMPDC-070216-0003_10_zps8qmgupl5.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/mjohnson555/seats/CSR/2016%20Sevens%20Event%20at%20NJMP/WSPS-NJMPDC-070216-0032_10_zpsw9j1ssxq.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/mjohnson555/seats/CSR/2016%20Sevens%20Event%20at%20NJMP/WSPS-NJMPDC-070216-0021_10_zpsye3l5wsu.jpg