Colorado7er Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Yeah, 'seller' doesn't seem to be responsive - I also tried to contact him but never received a response. I know he's racing his Formula Ford at our big local event this weekend, and may have been slammed the last few weeks getting ready. I'll send word to him at the track today. Or, DM me and we can work out a way to put you in touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxheadTim Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 I know he's racing his Formula Ford at our big local event this weekend, and may have been slammed the last few weeks getting ready. I'll send word to him at the track today. Or, DM me and we can work out a way to put you in touch. Ah, that makes sense. I'll try to DM you later today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) The newly listed S2 in Maine is also on Hemmings: https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/super-seven/2421185.html A bit of extra history. It was auctioned Aug 22, 2009 at the New England Classic Car Auction at Owl's Head ME. I was there and saw it cross the block. I again saw the car on August 2, 2016 (photo dated) at Owl's Head ME, at the very good transportation Museum there. Based on both of those inspections, I think it may be an early Caterham. Few of the details are from later Lotus S3/Caterham S1 cars. It could have been restored heavily at some point which is where the later stuff came from? It was in nice condition when I saw it last. Owner clearly maintained it well. Its a tall roll bar so I assume it was autocrossed or raced at some point. Only thing that annoys me is the nosecone looks to be warped. Edited to add - car did not sell at auction. Original 2009 post is here http://www.usa7s.net/vb/showthread.php?4035-Owls-Head-ME-32nd-New-England-Auto-Auction&highlight=Owls Edited August 3, 2020 by Croc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaximander Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) Mike, Talk about a piece of history. I often had wondered until today why Weber carburetors were designed and originally manufactured in Italy. It turns out the Eduardo Weber, the son of two Swiss parents was an Italian mechanical engineer who designed the carburetor. Sadly, Weber was a Fascist and reportedly, about 18 days after the end of WW2, some resistance folks paid Weber a visit one morning at his factory and he was never seen again. He is either dead or maybe he went to work designing Holley carbs? We could possibly create a conspiracy theory tying him to American manufacturing? Edited August 2, 2020 by Astro Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 Really? I always thought it came from the same company that helps me turn out great steaks and burgers when I am properly supplied with beer? I like my Weber grill. Can be just as fiddly as a carburetor as well when you want to start them. Requires the careful combination of burnable fuel, air and alcohol for the food disappear really quickly. Life would be so much less stressful if they just put down their politics, picked up a set of BBQ tongs and a few carefully chilled brews and started cooking some great food. :seeya: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxheadTim Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 A bit of extra history. It was auctioned Aug 22, 2009 at the New England Classic Car Auction at Owl's Head ME. I was there and saw it cross the block. I again saw the car on August 2, 2016 (photo dated) at Owl's Head ME, at the very good transportation Museum there. Based on both of those inspections, I think it may be an early Caterham. Few of the details are from later Lotus S3/Caterham S1 cars. It could have been restored heavily at some point which is where the later stuff came from? It was in nice condition when I saw it last. Owner clearly maintained it well. Its a tall roll bar so I assume it was autocrossed or raced at some point. Only thing that annoys me is the nosecone looks to be warped. Thanks, that was very enlightening. The fact that the car is pictured with Toyo R888s is probably also a hint that it may have been used as a track car. Not that I mind, because that's the main motivation for me to look for a Seven. If you don't mind - as I'm not that up to speed on the intricacies of the various models yet - any chance you could point out some of the S3 parts that may be on the car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SENC Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 A bit of extra history. It was auctioned Aug 22, 2009 at the New England Classic Car Auction at Owl's Head ME. I was there and saw it cross the block. I again saw the car on August 2, 2016 (photo dated) at Owl's Head ME, at the very good transportation Museum there. Based on both of those inspections, I think it may be an early Caterham. Few of the details are from later Lotus S3/Caterham S1 cars. It could have been restored heavily at some point which is where the later stuff came from? It was in nice condition when I saw it last. Owner clearly maintained it well. Its a tall roll bar so I assume it was autocrossed or raced at some point. Only thing that annoys me is the nosecone looks to be warped. Nice looking car, but agree there isn't much 1962 or S2 left, if there ever was any there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) If you don't mind - as I'm not that up to speed on the intricacies of the various models yet - any chance you could point out some of the S3 parts that may be on the car? I will say upfront the owner has been very clear in his knowledge of the the car for sale - to his credit. I never talked with the owner in my two encounters with the car. The reasons that made me think it was not an S2 were: - The chassis was the later type - more bars and bracing. - It had a lot of the fiberglass bits from a later Caterham - nose cone, rear wings, clams (the side repeaters came in 1970s) - The dash is the 1970/early 80s Caterham version. - Front suspension was using Caterham bits. Its clearly been restored at some point and thats where these newer bits could have arrived on the car. Chassis was painted gray. It has been reskinned. Bonnet is from a later Caterham. Lots of little details are Caterham - steering wheel for example. None of this is a concern as it presented as an honest little driver that had been happily driven. It has lovely patina. If it was me purchasing (and its not since I have enough thanks) I would follow up on two things: - first is the nose cone. Is is just mounted wrong or is there something deeper to investigate? - second, in the Hemmings as, the only photo of the engine seems to show a non-crossflow Cosworth cam cover. Not a lot to work with with images which is a problem but if it is a Cosworth engine then that is bonus. If it is just the cam cover bought separately then not. Edited August 3, 2020 by Croc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee break Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 The Hemmings listed car does have one feature that may indicate it was a S2 originally. The dash does not have the corner bracing I associate with the S3, also is there any research into the VIN? FWIW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SENC Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 If you don't mind - as I'm not that up to speed on the intricacies of the various models yet - any chance you could point out some of the S3 parts that may be on the car? First, let me recommend a couple great resources for historical pictures and descriptions that are helpful if interested in older Lotus 7s and identifying originality - lotus7register.co.uk and simplesevens.org. John Watson runs the first and John Donohoe the second, both are extremely knowledgeable. Second, I think this car looks like a good one and most have been modified or upgraded over the years, so don't mistake my comments as critiques. Croc pointed out several things already - specific to the rear wings, the S3s were wider than the S2s to accomodate a wider (and beefier) axle. You'll find many S2s with S3 wings because they upgraded from the original Standard10 axle to an Escort or other axle. The engine is a Kent crossflow engine (intake and exhaust on opposite sides) - I'll have to look further to see if there were any crossflow Cosworths, but I don't think so. There were only a few S2s with crossflows, generally called S2-1/2s, and they all had single carburetors to my knowledge. In S3 form, these engines were eventually tuned up by Holbay, not Cosworth. The 681 Ford block pictured would have been 1967 or later (early S2s with Kent pre-crossflows would be 105E, 116E andd 120E) The chassis plate shown is SB2317 - I believe the last S2 was SB2310, made in 1968. This plate did not come from a 1962 car. The Weber carburetors are appropriately 40DCOEs, but they are 151s, which are a much later carb (still in production, I think). S2s and S3s came with 40DCOE2s, I believe, so these would not be original carburetors. The gauges are later for sure, the revmeter and speedometer look like S4 vintage. The tunnel is flat, S2 and S3 tunnels (all I've seen) are rounded humps. Originally would have had a horizontal (and awkward) handbrake under the passenger side dash, not the vertical handbrake pictured. The louvred bonnet is late S2 or S3, not early 1960s. The headlight arrangement looks to be later. The triangular mounts for the aero screen are later - the Lotus windscreen mounts were 3 piece - this is a common Lotus v Caterham tell. The S2 currently on Bring-A-Trailer looks to be quite unmolested and would be a good comparison for you... and the pictures on both Johns' sites are hugely valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bball7754 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 2015 Caterham 420R https://www.apexspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?89060-2015-Caterham-420R You need to be an ApexSpeed member to see most of the listing. Car is in Colombia South America (!!). It’s a race car, full cage. 185 hp Duratec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 Stuart Taylor Motorsport Seven, powered by a Honda bike engine https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2003-stuart-taylor-seven/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) NEW Stuart Taylor https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2003-stuart-taylor-seven/ Stalker https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/carmel-1962-lotus-super-7/7173691388.html REPEATS Birkin https://fortcollins.craigslist.org/cto/d/fort-collins-birkin-s3-lotus-7-lotus/7163087830.html Stalker https://olympic.craigslist.org/cto/d/carlsborg-stalker-6-lotus-7-replica/7164845686.html Caterham http://britauto.com/portfolio-view/201216-nos-caterham-sv-roadsport/ Caterham http://britauto.com/portfolio-view/2000-caterham/ Lotus 7 https://vintageracecarsales.com/portfolio-view/lotus-7-america-vintage-race-car/ Mitusoka Zero https://www.duncanimports.com/used/Mitsuoka/1994-Mitsuoka-Zero1-cb265bd50a0e08b907465681642548f8.htm Lotus 7 S2 http://www.motorcarcompany.com/1963-lotus-seven.html and here https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/super-seven/2409828.html Caterham https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/caterham/2416012.html Caterham http://www.beachmanracing.com/inventory Caterham http://sodo-moto.com/listings/caterham-7-2/ and here https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/d/seattle-1979-caterham-super-seven-lotus/7167346391.html Caterham http://rockymountaincaterham.com/inventory/ Lotus 7 S2 https://www.fantasyjunction.com/inventory/1964-lotus-super-7-series-2/overview Lotus 7 S2 http://thesmiekelcollection.com/1967-lotus-super-seven/ Stalker http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/lotus/1437589044/1437589044ss.htm Caterham https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1363082/2004-caterham-seven-for-sale-in-newport-beach-california-92660 Wharton 7 https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1299993/1978-lotus-seven-for-sale-in-cadillac-michigan-49601 Stalker https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Replica-Kit-Makes-Brunton-Stalker/303647971069?hash=item46b2d456fd:g:FwsAAOSw4dxeD8lq Lotus 7A https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7a/2388210.html Lotus 7 S2 https://slo.craigslist.org/ctd/d/san-luis-obispo-1962-lotus-super-seven/7158619394.html Diva https://prescott.craigslist.org/cto/d/prescott-1962-lotus-roadster/7171309214.html Westfield https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/cto/d/pompano-beach-1992-westfield-sei-lotus-7/7172051183.html CANADA Replica https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/oshawa-durham-region/fast-and-fun/1507773740 Westfield https://www.kijiji.ca/v-autos-camions/laval-rive-nord/westfield-replique-lotus-7/1514071520 MCC 7 Project https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/mississauga-peel-region/mcc-super-7-unfinished-car-detailed-version/1503983466 Replica https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/city-of-toronto/lotus-7-replica/1508403000 Replica https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/portage-la-prairie/lotus-supper-seven/1510217779 Edited August 9, 2020 by Croc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastg Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Looks like an interested vintage look Locost, looks like a nice build, great price. http://locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=20657 Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croc Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share Posted August 11, 2020 Holy crap! It’s an amazing build and only $9500. Sensational value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashyers Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Check out those tires! I bet it's a big fun to drive!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panamericano Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 True old school. Two thumbs up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitcat Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 What's esp nice about this well constructed Lowcost is that it's the only one I have seen that mimics the Lotus 7's sloping side entrance sections. Like the Caterhams and Birkins do. Someone will buy this and flip it on BAT for 2x the $. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SENC Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Agree, looks like fun and a heckuva a buy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SENC Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 https://www.berlinetta-auctions.co.uk/weekly/car-detail/lot-116-1963-lotus-seven-series-2-america?fbclid=IwAR0WxP6q5gndDzrWpZZQeyGhJp2zaZgGL9nEqxmkuah8wXIuAxqPxdGuagU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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