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I am starting this thread at the request of a new member to this forum who wanted to know how different the CSR is compared to other Caterham chassis'. I figure there is more than me who can comment on this topic so have made it a thread. Hopefully Josh and Bruce chime in given their deep knowledge as dealers. There are three basic Caterham chassis for sale today: 1) The S3 - the narrow body. De dion rear end 2) The SV (or S5) - the wide body. 4 inches extra in the cockpit in length and width. De dion rear end. 3) The CSR - essentially the same identical dimensions as the SV but has a different chassis design with more bracing and triangulation intended to make it stiffer. Also it is designed for inboard front suspension and independent rear suspension. There is also the option of traditional flat dash or "curvy dash". While my current car has the curvy dash, I prefer the flat dash for its traditional looks. The S3 or SV come in a variety of model designations broadly associated with hp/weight - 270 (135hp), 310 (150hp), 360 (180hp), 420 (210hp), 485 (250hp), 610 (310hp). The CSR usually comes as a CSR 200 or CSR 260 with the numbers linked to amount of hp, i.e. 200 or 260hp. However, there is nothing stopping a buyer from installing their own engine spec with hp of their choosing, e.g. a 210hp CSR. For driving impressions, the CSR feels like a bigger car with its more sophisticated suspension. Bumps do not throw it offline. Its quite soft in its feel - very comfortable if not better ride comfort compared with most daily driver types of cars. If you hit a bump while turning e.g. pothole on a road or kerb on a track, then the rear end stays planted on line. By contrast the regular S3/SV chassis with the de dion are not quite as planted over bumps and move around more - a more lively feel. Some people like this feel, some do not. A comparison I participated with a few people in the UK at Donington quite a few years ago was if you took an S3, SV and a CSR with identical hp (200), identical tires and wheels (15inch), then what was fastest around the track with identical drivers (and a few drivers participated). The fairly consistent result no matter the driver was the CSR was marginally fastest followed by the SV then marginally behind was the S3. The SV had it over the S3 by virtue of the wider track even though there was a very slight weight penalty. The CSR had it over the SV by virtue of its rear end suspension composure. I want to stress that these were marginal differences. A different driver might be able to achieve a different result. However, there was no question in my mind that the CSR made it much easier on the driver to go faster - you feel more confident about driving at the limit and carrying more speed. But these are not massive differences. 10-20hp could make difference. Switch from 15 inch to 13 inch wheels makes the CSR even faster. There are a lot of factors that can determine a test result like the one above. That said, the CSR is a touring monster, very fast point to point on second hand road surfaces.

New Caterham https://www.astonmartin-lotus.com/lotus/1977/1968-lotus-super-7 and here https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/caterham/super-7/2300393.html REPEATS Caterham https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Lotus-Super-Seven/273933349584?hash=item3fc7b332d0:g:W88AAOSwulJdL7az Replica https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Replica-Kit-Makes-Lotus-Seven-Caterham/153570313712?hash=item23c18105f0:g:0MAAAOSwP4Nc3Iy7 and here https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/d/atlanta-lotus-seven-replica-kit-car-170/6935218365.html Lotus 7 S1 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-Lotus-7-racer-early-Series-1-Seven-with-Lotus-IRS-Vintage-race-car/153585587615?hash=item23c26a159f:g:~pQAAOSw-HJdQJPR Lotus 7 S2 and a Lotus 7 S4 project http://www.taylormadeclassiccars.com/vehiclesforsale.html and https://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-Lotus-Seven-Series-2/293168376758?hash=item4442326bb6:g:hSYAAOSwGVRdCDgO Rotus 7 https://www.wirewheel.com/1994-Rotus-7-for-sale.html Caterham SCCA https://www.wirewheel.com/2001-Caterham-race-car-for-sale.html Caterham SV hayabusa http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/other/1458694360/1458694360ss.htm Lotus 7 S2 http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/lotus/1557321710/1557321710ss.htm Stalker http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/lotus/1437589044/1437589044ss.htm Lotus 7 S1 https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/2099394.html Stalker https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/2167534.html Caterham SV https://vintageracecarsales.com/portfolio-view/2013-caterham-seven-480/ Lotus 7 S1 https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1065332/1958-lotus-seven-for-sale-in-stratford-connecticut-06615 Caterham (but advertised as a Lotus 7) https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1234047/1965-lotus-seven-for-sale-in-north-andover-massachusetts-01845 Super Seven Sportscar http://sodo-moto.com/listings/super-seven-2tg/ Birkin http://sodo-moto.com/listings/1990-birkin-seven-so-cal/ Birkin (Sodo Moto shows another 1991 Birkin on their webpage, half way down) http://sodo-moto.com/all-listings/ Caterham SV http://britauto.com/portfolio-view/201216-nos-caterham-sv-roadsport/ Caterham http://britauto.com/portfolio-view/2000-caterham/ Diva https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/phoenix-1962-lotus-super-7-deva-kit/6945207365.html Lotus 7 S2 https://maine.craigslist.org/cto/d/spruce-head-1962-lotus-super-7/6938383194.html CANADA Replica https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1448981191 MCC 7 Project https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1432118799 Wolf Racing 7 https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1436702029 Replica https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1447473806 Caterham https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1410777802 Replica https://www.kijiji.ca/v-autos-camions/lac-saint-jean/lotus-super-seven/1449826562?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true And with that I am away for 2 weeks bobbing around the North Sea. Back for August 25.

Getting ahead of tomorrow https://www.astonmartin-lotus.com/lotus/1977/1968-lotus-super-7

I can understand that. You hope you have built a good reliable car but you know the long drive will be the true test. This thread brings back memories of JLumba driving my yellow Caterham from NYC To Juneau in 6 days - I was having kittens.

Do both at once is the accepted wisdom.

Congratulations Rahul! Safe travels home.

Oh wow! I didn't even see an ad and this sold. After so much work to get it to the perfect state it is in, this has got to hurt to let it go.

Bessie!!!!!! :rofl:

Actually, Mr Mustang saw what I saw. One photo in the ad has a set of scrubbed tires. Either he is tracking or he is autocrossing but he is not driving Miss Daisy on the street!

I'd say it was a track car looking at the photos.

This week's offerings out there in the market. Hardly anything comes up in Craigslist now that they added the fee. NEW Lotus 7 S2 https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25221/lot/60/?category=list&length=224&page=1 Caterham SV 480 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Lotus-Super-Seven/273933349584?hash=item3fc7b332d0:g:W88AAOSwulJdL7az Replica https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Replica-Kit-Makes-Lotus-Seven-Caterham/153570313712?hash=item23c18105f0:g:0MAAAOSwP4Nc3Iy7 and here https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/d/atlanta-lotus-seven-replica-kit-car-170/6935218365.html Lotus 7 S2 - seen this car at Owl Head museum once when I was there https://maine.craigslist.org/cto/d/spruce-head-1962-lotus-super-7/6938383194.html REPEATS Lotus 7 S1 IRS https://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-Other-Makes-early-LOTUS-7-IRS-Seven-IRS/153573248153?hash=item23c1adcc99:g:7v4AAOSweXddKcjm Rotus 7 https://www.wirewheel.com/1994-Rotus-7-for-sale.html' Caterham SCCA https://www.wirewheel.com/2001-Caterham-race-car-for-sale.html Lotus 7 S1 https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/2099394.html Stalker https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lotus/7/2167534.html Caterham (advertised as a Lotus 7) https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1234047/1965-lotus-seven-for-sale-in-north-andover-massachusetts-01845 Lotus 7 S1 https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1065332/1958-lotus-seven-for-sale-in-stratford-connecticut-06615 Caterham SV Hayabusa http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/other/1458694360/1458694360ss.htm Lotus 7 S2 http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/lotus/1557321710/1557321710ss.htm Stalker http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/lotus/1437589044/1437589044ss.htm Caterham SV 480 https://vintageracecarsales.com/portfolio-view/2013-caterham-seven-480/ Birkin http://sodo-moto.com/listings/1990-birkin-seven-so-cal/ Birkin (direct page ad not working but can be seen on this page) http://sodo-moto.com/all-listings/ Super Seven Sportscar (Fejer) http://sodo-moto.com/listings/super-seven-2tg/ Caterham SV http://britauto.com/portfolio-view/201216-nos-caterham-sv-roadsport/ Caterham http://britauto.com/portfolio-view/2000-caterham/ CANADA Caterham https://www.kijiji.ca/v-autos-camions/sherbrooke-qc/caterham-super-7-sylver-jubilee-1982/1410777802?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true Wolf Racing 7 https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1436702029 Replica https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/windsor-area-on/1977-caterham-replica/1447473806?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true MCC 7 Project https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1432118799 Replica https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/city-of-toronto/lotus-7-replica-for-sale/1448981191?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

You could wait - I am betting the Pound will go par with the dollar later this year. Here are some other options to try: http://merkurmidwest.com/index.html https://mossmotors.com/ VPD may have something available although they normally build to order http://www.v-performance.com/products/transmission.html

Quick quick, someone is posting porn on this thread! http://www.usa7s.net/vb/showthread.php?12426-Testing-thumbnail-changes&p=111105#post111105

Yes that is your usual exciting driving style! :jester: My two main concerns with BAT are: 1) There is a peanut gallery of uninformed commenters who actively mislead with their own misconceptions. That whole long cockpit discussion was ridiculous until (I think it was) one ex-Caterham dealer from MA stepping in and laying out the timeline in a credible informative way. In this case the misconceptions were corrected by a knowledgeable intervention. However, that may not always be the case and misconceptions can tank an auction with uninformed facts. This is more frequent than people realize. I have even seen flash mobs actively criticize and disparage cars for sale (e.g. NZ Ford Escort, one M3 from a PNW dealer, one 80s Porsche 930) - cars then failed to sell. Hitting the unconstructive post button often is too late to propagate the wrong facts and false assertions. I tend to ignore the comments and ask the seller directly offline when I am purchasing a car there. Its generally worked to my advantage. 2) The market for specialist cars is thin. If you are selling a Porsche VW 911 Beetle or other more mass market classics then the BAT auction process is brilliant. If you are selling a Caterham or a Stalker then the auction is going to have uncertainty. It depends on who is bidding on the day. Search Caterham auction results on BAT. The results are unbelievably choppy in values compared with sale prices via ads on this forum. This demonstrates that success for the seller requires 2 bidders actively wanting the car and prepared to go head to head on the final day. Its not always a simple matter of setting your own reserve - BAT negotiates that with you as I discovered when I explored selling one car out of curiousity. BAT want a realistic reserve as they need a flow of actual sales. I would only use the BAT if the reserve is right for me and if it does not sell then you view it as a pretty cheap price for excellent national advertising exposure that transitions into a longer term sale process via USA7s or EBay/Hemmings classifieds. I still think, on average, a classified ad on this forum for a seven will achieve a better win-win result for the buyer and seller than BAT if the seller has the patience.

I think he had a slip of the tongue...

This forum probably needs the 55 gallon drum given all the sexy spam being flooded onto this forum in the last 24 hours.

Given the pic and video links, I don't think the admins are having any problems whatsoever!

Kitcat - since you are so focused on lubricants right now, have you ever tried the 'Passion' brand? http://www.usa7s.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=15685&stc=1 Amazon has a 55 gallon drum on sale at $2170. Gets great reviews (I just finished crying with laughter). https://www.amazon.com/Passion-Lubes-Natural-Water-Based-Lubricant/dp/B005MR3IVO?th=1 Probably useless in a Zetec but certainly would improve the speed of the driver.

Hmmmm....everyone I have ever met on this forum has a big head. May take a while to sell a small helmet.

Outside chance of Sunday. Depends on when I get back from Rome. Should be Saturday.

PM sent

Did your wife enjoy the fitting experience too?

Good to hear that you are back together and running again. I assume the engine was run in on the dyno (best option) or will be run in before you get to the track day?

You are in good hands with Simon - he knows his stuff. Helped me dial in my ex-maroon SV and is helping me on a small upgrade project currently.

350lbs on the front? OMG! You use that in a car 3 times plus the weight...